Barrett-silencers

A-Mac.50 · December 30, 2005, 08:09 PM

I ve recently read that the 50 cal barretts have an optional sound suppressor any idea what it looks like or the price of it?

shaggy · December 30, 2005, 08:13 PM

http://www.gem-tech.com/STORMFRONT.html

The British Soldier · December 31, 2005, 07:13 AM

It's an incredible looking silencer that reduces the noise to somewhere around a pistol shot; yet the thing is enormous! I have not personally fired a Barratt with one on, but I wonder what the recoil is like with the muzzle brake out of the game?

Dave Haven · December 31, 2005, 09:13 PM

A silencer is a VERY effective muzzle brake.

Blackhorse · December 31, 2005, 11:27 PM

Went to a shoot at one of the local clubs a few years back and there were about 16 custom 50 cals, built by a fella named Klaus Horsecamp as I recall, one of them was silenced, very impressive, no hearing protection required. the baffle chamber went the length of the barrel. We got to shoot most of them, fun to shoot but sure wouldn't want to pack them far.

The British Soldier · January 1, 2006, 07:05 AM

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Dave Haven A silencer is a VERY effective muzzle brake.

I'm not onboard with that one Dave; can you explain what you mean?

guntotin_fool · January 1, 2006, 07:15 AM

I have tried a barret with a factory suppressor, or at least one that came on it from the factory. The sound was much more like a massive release of air like when the tire remounting machine is cycled or a truck comressor venting. What the suppressor does is alter the sound and suppress it too by extending the period of time in which the sound exists. imagine it as pressure against you. Would you like 1000 pounds on your big toe for one minute or 1 pound on your toe for 1000 minutes. Same amount of pressure, just spread out differently. (maybe my physics is off, but the idea is clear.) It was not unpleasant to stand near it but i am sure it exceeded 85 DB.

colt · January 1, 2006, 03:29 PM

it might be a verry efective flash hider. muzzle brakes usually make it louder

Dave Haven · January 1, 2006, 10:13 PM

That's according to what I read in "Very High Power" - the newsletter of the Fifty Caliber Shooters Association.
A muzzle brake deflects a large portion of the muzzle blast energy to the sides/rear. A silencer deflects the muzzle blast to the sides and absorbs most of the energy of the muzzle blast.
It makes sense to me.

A-Mac.50 · January 1, 2006, 11:01 PM

Thanks alot to everyone who gave me feed back, that silencer is very impressive thanks for your time and thoughts. A Mac

The British Soldier · January 3, 2006, 03:09 PM

Dave,

I think there is a confusion as to the function of the muzzle brake, which is to deflect gas 45 degrees rearward from the muzzle; this retards the recoil force because the jets are, essentially, trying to hold the muzzle forward.

A Silencer would absorb the muzzle noise signature, but would, by design, contain those gases. Do you see what I mean? The recoil must increase because nothing is holding the muzzle forward, it is free to recoil fully.

I wonder if the magazine article and the rest of us are on the same hymn sheet?

Powderman · January 3, 2006, 03:27 PM

British Soldier, I believe you might be overlooking the weight factor. With the added weight on the end of the muzzle, the felt recoil will be much less than with the unsuppressed arm.

Example:

I had the opportunity recently to fire two .30-06 rifles, side by side. One was my 1903 Springfield, the other was a Savage bolt action, with a Gemtech suppressor affixed.

Of course, the 1903 gave me that nice tight shove, and snuggled up to my shoulder like an old friend. Not uncomfortable at all, but still a good recoil impulse.

The Savage, on the other hand, felt like a .223 when going off, I could fire it without hearing protection, and it was putting good .30 holes in the target at point of aim at 100 yards. Good stuff!

Zak Smith · January 3, 2006, 05:28 PM

I have fired the AI AW50 with a JET 50BMG suppressor on the end. Recoil is reduced SIMILAR to a very effective muzzle brake. The impulse is lengthened, the report is reduced, and the blast and concussion is contained, compared to a plain or braked muzzle.

Suppressors act as brakes becasue they grab the forward moving gas use it to pull the rifle forward, just like a brake. The only difference is that it's contained in the suppressor while it is redirected out with the brake.

The most effective brakes used in 3Gun competition, and those on canon muzzles, generally have surfaces normal to the bullet path, not angled to it.

Dave Haven · January 3, 2006, 09:43 PM

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Suppressors act as brakes becasue they grab the forward moving gas use it to pull the rifle forward, just like a brake. The only difference is that it's contained in the suppressor while it is redirected out with the brake.

That's what I was trying to say. Thanks, Zak!

There's a member of FCSA who shoots in matches with a silenced .50 BMG rifle. I can't recall his name at this time, but from what I've read, his "can" is as effective as anyone else's muzzle brake in recoil reduction.

December 30, 2005, 08:09 PM	#1
A-Mac.50 Member Join Date: November 12, 2005 Posts: 35	Barrett-silencers I ve recently read that the 50 cal barretts have an optional sound suppressor any idea what it looks like or the price of it?

December 31, 2005, 07:13 AM	#3
The British Soldier Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2005 Location: England...that green and pleasasnt land. Posts: 295	It's an incredible looking silencer that reduces the noise to somewhere around a pistol shot; yet the thing is enormous! I have not personally fired a Barratt with one on, but I wonder what the recoil is like with the muzzle brake out of the game? __________________ Mike When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains And the women come out to cut up what remains Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier. Rudyard Kipling.

January 1, 2006, 03:29 PM	#8
colt Member Join Date: December 26, 2005 Location: katy Posts: 45	yeah dave it might be a verry efective flash hider. muzzle brakes usually make it louder __________________ in a world of compromise... some don't

January 1, 2006, 10:13 PM	#9
Dave Haven Senior Member Join Date: February 1, 2000 Location: near Flagstaff, AZ Posts: 790	silencer=muzzle brake That's according to what I read in "Very High Power" - the newsletter of the Fifty Caliber Shooters Association. A muzzle brake deflects a large portion of the muzzle blast energy to the sides/rear. A silencer deflects the muzzle blast to the sides and absorbs most of the energy of the muzzle blast. It makes sense to me. __________________ NRA Endowment Member FCSA Life Member Subs are cool, but belt-feds RULE!

January 3, 2006, 03:09 PM	#11
The British Soldier Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2005 Location: England...that green and pleasasnt land. Posts: 295	Dave, I think there is a confusion as to the function of the muzzle brake, which is to deflect gas 45 degrees rearward from the muzzle; this retards the recoil force because the jets are, essentially, trying to hold the muzzle forward. A Silencer would absorb the muzzle noise signature, but would, by design, contain those gases. Do you see what I mean? The recoil must increase because nothing is holding the muzzle forward, it is free to recoil fully. I wonder if the magazine article and the rest of us are on the same hymn sheet? __________________ Mike When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains And the women come out to cut up what remains Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier. Rudyard Kipling.

December 30, 2005, 08:13 PM	#2
shaggy Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2004 Posts: 1,519	http://www.gem-tech.com/STORMFRONT.html

December 31, 2005, 09:13 PM	#4
Dave Haven Senior Member Join Date: February 1, 2000 Location: near Flagstaff, AZ Posts: 790	A silencer is a VERY effective muzzle brake.

December 31, 2005, 11:27 PM	#5
Blackhorse Senior Member Join Date: April 9, 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 597	Went to a shoot at one of the local clubs a few years back and there were about 16 custom 50 cals, built by a fella named Klaus Horsecamp as I recall, one of them was silenced, very impressive, no hearing protection required. the baffle chamber went the length of the barrel. We got to shoot most of them, fun to shoot but sure wouldn't want to pack them far.

January 1, 2006, 07:15 AM	#7
guntotin_fool Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2004 Posts: 1,446	I have tried a barret with a factory suppressor, or at least one that came on it from the factory. The sound was much more like a massive release of air like when the tire remounting machine is cycled or a truck comressor venting. What the suppressor does is alter the sound and suppress it too by extending the period of time in which the sound exists. imagine it as pressure against you. Would you like 1000 pounds on your big toe for one minute or 1 pound on your toe for 1000 minutes. Same amount of pressure, just spread out differently. (maybe my physics is off, but the idea is clear.) It was not unpleasant to stand near it but i am sure it exceeded 85 DB.

January 1, 2006, 11:01 PM	#10
A-Mac.50 Member Join Date: November 12, 2005 Posts: 35	Thanks alot to everyone who gave me feed back, that silencer is very impressive thanks for your time and thoughts. A Mac

January 3, 2006, 03:27 PM	#12
Powderman Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2001 Location: Washington State Posts: 2,166	British Soldier, I believe you might be overlooking the weight factor. With the added weight on the end of the muzzle, the felt recoil will be much less than with the unsuppressed arm. Example: I had the opportunity recently to fire two .30-06 rifles, side by side. One was my 1903 Springfield, the other was a Savage bolt action, with a Gemtech suppressor affixed. Of course, the 1903 gave me that nice tight shove, and snuggled up to my shoulder like an old friend. Not uncomfortable at all, but still a good recoil impulse. The Savage, on the other hand, felt like a .223 when going off, I could fire it without hearing protection, and it was putting good .30 holes in the target at point of aim at 100 yards. Good stuff! __________________ Hiding in plain sight...

January 3, 2006, 05:28 PM	#13
Zak Smith Senior Member Join Date: December 12, 1999 Location: Fort Collins, Colorado, USA Posts: 2,682	I have fired the AI AW50 with a JET 50BMG suppressor on the end. Recoil is reduced SIMILAR to a very effective muzzle brake. The impulse is lengthened, the report is reduced, and the blast and concussion is contained, compared to a plain or braked muzzle. Suppressors act as brakes becasue they grab the forward moving gas use it to pull the rifle forward, just like a brake. The only difference is that it's contained in the suppressor while it is redirected out with the brake. The most effective brakes used in 3Gun competition, and those on canon muzzles, generally have surfaces normal to the bullet path, not angled to it. __________________ Zak Smith . DEMIGOD LLC . THUNDER BEAST ARMS CORP . COLORADO MULTI-GUN *My PM inbox full? Send e-mail instead.*