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November 11, 2021, 02:11 PM | #26 |
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We were talking about the Hi Standard Derringer, not the Sentinel.
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November 11, 2021, 04:44 PM | #27 |
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In post #4 the OP says he didn't specify a 22. So he is open to other small rounds. My bud bought an I-Frame in 32 long that is really nice. Its smaller than a J-Frame but not by a large amount. He never shoots it but I'm not going to try and talk him out of it. Besides I have 4 other J-Frames in 32 caliber.
I don't know of any small revolvers off the top of my head. If I were looking for a SD gun smaller that a Jframe but bigger than one of the NAA guns I would get a Kel-tec P-32 again. I stupidly sold the first one and I can't figure out why. It was totally reliable and so easy to carry. That would be my best recommendation. |
November 11, 2021, 06:26 PM | #28 |
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Technology vs. Geometry?
I've a Taurus 94, a J frame size .22 double action. I enjoy it, and it is accurate. Invariably I am shooting it single action. It's that two men and a boy trigger pull.
I spent a fair amount of time and effort smoothing it up, and had some success. Now it is smooth, but still heavy. In researching the issue I learned that the frame size and the healthy whack required for rimfire combine to make it darn near impossible to reduce pull weight significantly and retain reliable ignition. That is where I settled, reliability is #1. I can shoot it double action, I can shoot it better single action.
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November 12, 2021, 07:31 PM | #30 |
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OK gotcha. The only small 22 I have anymore is a 4" model 34-1 flat latch. I did have an older like from the 1990s Taurus model 94 22lr with 3" barrel and truly regret selling it. But it was still a J-Frame sized gun. It sure shot good though.
People have been calling for a smaller than J-Frame sized 22/32 for a long time. I would be surprised if one is ever offered. I bet it would sell. |
November 13, 2021, 07:12 AM | #31 | |
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I made an effort to shoot these centerfires, DA 90+% of the time and actually found that my DA groups weren't significantly larger than my slow fire SA efforts. That's the reason I want a good/excellent DA trigger pull....just wish I could find a local (Louisville, KY), area gunsmith that could do the work in less than a year's lead time. All the old LEO armorers are long gone from this area, sad to say. I'll admit also that I routinely carry all three as trail, plinking guns. While the SA triggers on the above mentioned Smiths all share S&W's well earned reputation for superb SA feel (Inch groups at 10 yds +, are routine), I'm greedy enough to want the same from my DA triggers as well...ah...the search continues. Best regards, Rod
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November 13, 2021, 04:21 PM | #32 | |
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Overall, I view these Young America revolvers as enhanced versions of the NAA mini revolvers, just with better ergos, higher capacities (7 vs 5) or bigger caliber (.32 vs .22), and of course a double action trigger. Yes, they are larger than the NAA revolvers, but it does get to a point where small is too small. If I can't hit worth a spit at 15 yards with them, that's fine because that's not what the gun is meant to do. 1 inch groups at 10 yards is nice, but is it really necessary for self defense? I don't think so.
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November 13, 2021, 07:08 PM | #33 |
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Snub nose m34 kit gun is as good as it gets. I’ve dont extensive looking for the perfect 22 for everyday carry. I’m not talking about a SD gun. I’m talking about a 22 that is small and light enough to be out of the way when engaged in outdoor chores. Also accurate enough that it’s practical. I got the snub m34 and found the gun was capable but I wasn’t. I had to go to 4” 34 for something worth carrying. I went the whole range of 22 pistols too. I had all the 32 frame jobs I could find, a few plastics and 2/3 scale 1911 models. Some of these small pistols and revolvers are novelties and range toys. They have no practical value. Most don’t even make plinker class. That’s not to say you may get a fluke that shoots much better than it should.
The only way to determine accuracy is to shoot groups of a rest. If you have one that will group, if you miss it’s your fault. I case you are wondering I ended up with S&W 422, 4” Target as carry piece. It’s light and flat, shoots as well as 4” m34. Bonus being if you fall in the creek, it’s a lot easier to strip and clean than a revolver. |
November 14, 2021, 06:54 AM | #34 |
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This is going to be my choice.
A 22/32 Kit gun.
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November 14, 2021, 09:56 AM | #35 |
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OOOOOOOO. That's a beauty, Brian. Rod
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How many women are out there with small hands and are recoil sensitive and want a smaller option for carrying a revolver than what's currently offered? If at one point in time there were double action .22's that were smaller than J frames, what's the argument that there is no market for such a gun? What, simply because no one has made a Ladysmith or HR Young America for 80+ years? Rodfac replied to you and said Quote:
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I'll add that in addition to the back strap to trigger face distance dimension being a problem, the deep gap between the 2nd finger and the frame also causes problems...and not with just larger hand individuals. I find it a problem with S&W's K and N frames as well when fitted with the old "Magna" grips. One way to make the J-frame easier to shoot with accuracy and speed, aside from custom grips, is to employ a grip adapter...fitted behind the trigger guard, it fills the gap above the 2nd finger. In doing this, it does not increase the distance between the back of the grip frame and the trigger, a critical dimension for good, sustained, accurate fire for folks with smaller hands. Best regards, Rod
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November 18, 2021, 06:31 PM | #39 |
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November 18, 2021, 08:19 PM | #40 |
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PS - I do not know how to post the full open photo.
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November 20, 2021, 08:49 AM | #41 |
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To update this topic I picked up the H&R .22 Short/Long revolver yesterday and shot it. At 9 yards I can hold a 6 inch group with Remington or Aguila ammo (CCI may be better, we shall see) and considering the size of the revolver that is pretty good, better than NAA minis.
I am able to shoot it better than the .32 H&R Young America due to using the firing pin on the hammer as a rear sight, so I'm going to say for a DA .22 that weighs half a pound the H&R is a top choice. Now I'm going to have to keep my eye out for a longer barrel version.
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My wife has a S&W Model 63 that she shoots real well, and she thinks it’s pretty, which is why i think she wanted it. My small 22 revolver is a Colt Diamondback (which I’ll admit that I think is pretty). Years ago I hosted a hunting trip at a company ranch, and a guest had a Diamondback in blue. I thought it was a work of art. He wouldn’t sell it to me, so I had to find my own, which took a while.
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November 20, 2021, 04:53 PM | #43 |
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I don't think I've seen it mentioned yet but there is the Ruger SP101 in .22 long rifle.
Wow, MSRP is about twice what I would have expected ($919) |
November 20, 2021, 06:42 PM | #44 |
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There's nothing about a 30oz Ruger SP101 that is small...
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