round you most hate to reload? - Page 2

armoredman · October 7, 2009, 08:54 PM

Anything I have to lube to decap/resize, but 7.62x39mm is the most troublesome for me. I love carbide pistol dies! I like loading everything I load for, but that one step is the only thing I don't like.

wncchester · October 8, 2009, 12:09 PM

.25 ACP sucks.

Hardcase · October 8, 2009, 12:30 PM

I'm with Mike on the .38-40. My rifle just mangles the crap out of the neck when it ejects. I usually wait until I've almost forgotten what a PITA it was to load last time before I do a batch. Thankfully, I don't shoot it much, so I don't load it much.

amamnn · October 8, 2009, 05:06 PM

Hate? Reload? Hate to reload? If you actually really hate to reload-- why do it? There are no stupid questions...................oh wait -- there are!

Crosshair · October 8, 2009, 06:10 PM

I hate having to trim the FL sized the .223 cases. They don't go into my Lyman case trimmer straight because of the small case head, so I have to use my Lee trimmer. The Lee works great, but it's much slower.

I neck size for my TC encore so I don't have to trim those.

Gun 4 Fun · October 8, 2009, 08:20 PM

I don't hate it, but it is does take a lot more care- 25/20 winchester. The cases aren't that small that it is a problem, but they're getting there, The real reason is the brass. It is very thin in that caliber, and can be damaged very easily when sizing or seating a bullet.

jjohnson · October 9, 2009, 12:49 PM

Oh, let's just say I don't HATE to reload them, but they're the most trouble for me. The .30 Tok is hard to get expanded just right to it'll hold the bullet, the Hornet is easy to crush or mangle, and the .30 Carbine is tough to sqeeze a .309" cast bullet into.

spencerhut · October 9, 2009, 03:22 PM

Am I the only person using X-Dies? You guys with the more common stuff can use X-Dies and only trim brass once until it fails or gets retired.

I use X-Dies for .223, 6.5x55, .308, .30-06. Trim once and don't worry about it anymore.

I also use the RCBS Lube Die in my Pro2000 so I do not have to manually lube cases. Finished rounds get tumbled for a while to remove the lube.

Station 1 - Lube/Decap
Station 2 - X-Die Resize/Prime
Station 3 - Charge
Station 4 - Seat
Station 5 - Lee Crimp

Tumble for ~15 minutes

troy_mclure · October 9, 2009, 06:31 PM

station 1 size
station 1 expand
station 1 seat
station 1 crimp

NWPilgrim · October 10, 2009, 01:27 AM

Not sure what X-die has to do with which round you most "hate" to reload ...

But, I just started to use the X-Die for .223, .308, and .30-06. Went through and trimmed about 3,000 cases and loaded about 400 so far. Anxious to get out and shoot some so I can run them through the X-Dies without a trim, and then measure them.

Same setup on my turret press, minus the lube die.

Edward429451 · October 10, 2009, 08:57 AM

I suppose the 223/5.56 is the biggest pita for me to reload. I go through so many, and the cases require so much more than others it seems. Swaging the pockets, deburring the flash holes, trimming....and looking into the small necked cases is almost impossible, or at least not as easy as others.

But it's gotta be done.

Now the 308/7.62 is a hand loaders dream it seems to me, I do not understand azredhawks difficulty with this round. I too, load for an M1A and I think it's a pc of cake. Try Imperial sizing lube, or Bullshop's Lube from the castboolits board.
Bullshops lube is the schitzky! As good or better than Imperial and a great deal costwise. I use his lube to size 308 and heavy 45/70 loads (which have expanded so much that the bench flexes when sizing) Highly recommended.

kraigwy · October 10, 2009, 12:25 PM

I'm with Gun 4 Fun on the 25-20, got to be really careful with the brass.

Also 380 are finger pinchers.

I use to have problems with 204s but eliminated the ruining of brass while seating by going to a competition seating die.

410s are a pain, I use to shoot a lot of skeet, 4 gun, 410,28,20 & 12 gage. I hated loading 410s finely gave it up and started buying them. Now I just load for 20 & 12 gage (in shot guns).

I dont understand the problems w/223s, like any other round, proper set up at the start eliminates the problems

sc928porsche · October 10, 2009, 02:46 PM

.25 ACP for obvious reasons. I guess it would help if I had smaller fingers and could find a powder that was more forgiving. Maybe bp would help.

aerod1 · October 10, 2009, 04:42 PM

Anything I have to trim. I love reloading everything but it seems the trimming process is the part I like the least.

Crankylove · October 10, 2009, 11:51 PM

Well........least favorite to load for is my .22 Hornet......always end up pinching fingers trying to hold those little teeny bullets on the case mouth. I am sure I will also hate trimming brass for it.........if I ever do. Have some cases with 10+ loadings thru them, and I have never trimmed a Hornet case yet.

spencerhut · October 12, 2009, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Not sure what X-die has to do with which round you most "hate" to reload ...

But, I just started to use the X-Die for .223, .308, and .30-06. Went through and trimmed about 3,000 cases and loaded about 400 so far. Anxious to get out and shoot some so I can run them through the X-Dies without a trim, and then measure them.

My thought was that most of the "hate" was around trimming, so I was trying to ease the pain.

NWPilgrim · October 12, 2009, 11:22 AM

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My thought was that most of the "hate" was around trimming, so I was trying to ease the pain.

OK, I get it.

I am still in the hopeful stage. I have the dies, I have done the initial trim for a batch of brass, but have not shot any of them yet to be able to actually try out the Die. It seems totally revolutionary and I'm surprised it is not used or talked about more. The research i did turned up all favorable experience, and not one person with a unsuccessful experience.

Trim once and get brass to last 2-4 times longer. What's not to like? Well, $35 per cartridge isn't fun, but it should save me that much many times over if it makes the brass last even a few more loads.

Spencerhut, one question I have is the instructions say to trim .020" under max case length, which is generally .010" less than the trim to length. Have you found any reason for this, or could I use the standard trim-to length?

CraigC · October 12, 2009, 11:31 AM

By contrast, I've never had any trouble with the .38-40. Only use Starline brass, lost very few cases and none of my guns mangle the brass. My Browning 53 .32-20 is a little rough on cases though.

Tony R · October 12, 2009, 01:12 PM

I don't like resizing and reaming the nickle brass for my 50AE.

mnshortdraw · October 13, 2009, 12:56 AM

The 14/221 has been a real challenge for me.

Sidewinder72 · October 13, 2009, 04:50 AM

It would have to be the .380 and 9MM. To big hands and small cases.

darkgael · October 13, 2009, 06:01 AM

Not hate but certainly the most trouble - .30 Carbine. That stiff little case.....any case that requires some lube even in a carbide die is more trouble than normal.
Maybe I should put down .25 ACP - harder to handle and the powder charge is minute. I use factory ammo 99% of the time.
Pete

SKULLANDCROSSBONES65 · October 13, 2009, 06:46 AM

G'day. The round I most hate to reload, is the ones I don't get to shoot.

Now that you have got my intrest in this thread, I'll Have to go back and read all the posts.

Tomas204 · October 14, 2009, 05:37 PM

204 Rugers I have to load enough for 3 shooters and these Bullets are tiny ,and my 405 took a little getting used to but hate No not 1 I love reloading just tomany guns

,did I just say that

GLShooter · October 14, 2009, 05:44 PM

The 25 ACP is a pain. I hate dipping 1 grain of bullseye with a cut off 22 short case!! :barf:

Greg

October 8, 2009, 12:30 PM	#28
Hardcase Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2009 Location: Sunny Southern Idaho Posts: 1,909	I'm with Mike on the .38-40. My rifle just mangles the crap out of the neck when it ejects. I usually wait until I've almost forgotten what a PITA it was to load last time before I do a batch. Thankfully, I don't shoot it much, so I don't load it much. __________________ Well we don't rent pigs and I figure it's better to say it right out front because a man that does like to rent pigs is... he's hard to stop - Gus McCrae

October 8, 2009, 05:06 PM	#29
amamnn Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2006 Location: WA, the left armpit of the USA Posts: 1,323	Hate? Reload? Hate to reload? If you actually really hate to reload-- why do it? There are no stupid questions...................oh wait -- there are! __________________ "If the enemy is in range, so are you." - Infantry Journal

October 8, 2009, 06:10 PM	#30
Crosshair Senior Member Join Date: December 16, 2004 Location: Grand Forks, ND Posts: 5,333	I hate having to trim the FL sized the .223 cases. They don't go into my Lyman case trimmer straight because of the small case head, so I have to use my Lee trimmer. The Lee works great, but it's much slower. I neck size for my TC encore so I don't have to trim those. __________________ I don't carry a gun to go looking for trouble, I carry a gun in case trouble finds me.

October 8, 2009, 08:20 PM	#31
Gun 4 Fun Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 2008 Posts: 956	I don't hate it, but it is does take a lot more care- 25/20 winchester. The cases aren't that small that it is a problem, but they're getting there, The real reason is the brass. It is very thin in that caliber, and can be damaged very easily when sizing or seating a bullet. __________________ S&WCA member NRA member NAHC Life member

October 9, 2009, 12:49 PM	#32
jjohnson Member Join Date: December 10, 2007 Posts: 72	.30 Tokarev followed by .22 Hornet, .30 Carbine Oh, let's just say I don't HATE to reload them, but they're the most trouble for me. The .30 Tok is hard to get expanded just right to it'll hold the bullet, the Hornet is easy to crush or mangle, and the .30 Carbine is tough to sqeeze a .309" cast bullet into.

October 7, 2009, 08:54 PM	#26
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,299	Anything I have to lube to decap/resize, but 7.62x39mm is the most troublesome for me. I love carbide pistol dies! I like loading everything I load for, but that one step is the only thing I don't like.

October 8, 2009, 12:09 PM	#27
wncchester Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2002 Posts: 2,832	.25 ACP sucks.

October 9, 2009, 03:22 PM	#33
spencerhut Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2006 Location: Idaho Posts: 147	Am I the only person using RCBS X-Dies? Am I the only person using X-Dies? You guys with the more common stuff can use X-Dies and only trim brass once until it fails or gets retired. I use X-Dies for .223, 6.5x55, .308, .30-06. Trim once and don't worry about it anymore. I also use the RCBS Lube Die in my Pro2000 so I do not have to manually lube cases. Finished rounds get tumbled for a while to remove the lube. Station 1 - Lube/Decap Station 2 - X-Die Resize/Prime Station 3 - Charge Station 4 - Seat Station 5 - Lee Crimp Tumble for ~15 minutes

October 9, 2009, 06:31 PM	#34
troy_mclure Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2008 Location: gulf of mexico Posts: 2,716	station 1 size station 1 expand station 1 seat station 1 crimp __________________ There is only one tactical principle which is not subject to change. It is to use the means at hand to inflict the maximum amount of wound, death, and destruction on the enemy in the minimum amount of time."

October 10, 2009, 01:27 AM	#35
NWPilgrim Senior Member Join Date: September 29, 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,346	Not sure what X-die has to do with which round you most "hate" to reload ... But, I just started to use the X-Die for .223, .308, and .30-06. Went through and trimmed about 3,000 cases and loaded about 400 so far. Anxious to get out and shoot some so I can run them through the X-Dies without a trim, and then measure them. Same setup on my turret press, minus the lube die. __________________ "The ultimate authority ... resides in the people alone. ... The advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation ... forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition." - James Madison

October 10, 2009, 08:57 AM	#36
Edward429451 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 9,494	I suppose the 223/5.56 is the biggest pita for me to reload. I go through so many, and the cases require so much more than others it seems. Swaging the pockets, deburring the flash holes, trimming....and looking into the small necked cases is almost impossible, or at least not as easy as others. But it's gotta be done. Now the 308/7.62 is a hand loaders dream it seems to me, I do not understand azredhawks difficulty with this round. I too, load for an M1A and I think it's a pc of cake. Try Imperial sizing lube, or Bullshop's Lube from the castboolits board. Bullshops lube is the schitzky! As good or better than Imperial and a great deal costwise. I use his lube to size 308 and heavy 45/70 loads (which have expanded so much that the bench flexes when sizing) Highly recommended.

October 10, 2009, 12:25 PM	#37
kraigwy Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11,061	I'm with Gun 4 Fun on the 25-20, got to be really careful with the brass. Also 380 are finger pinchers. I use to have problems with 204s but eliminated the ruining of brass while seating by going to a competition seating die. 410s are a pain, I use to shoot a lot of skeet, 4 gun, 410,28,20 & 12 gage. I hated loading 410s finely gave it up and started buying them. Now I just load for 20 & 12 gage (in shot guns). I dont understand the problems w/223s, like any other round, proper set up at the start eliminates the problems __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071

October 10, 2009, 02:46 PM	#38
sc928porsche Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2008 Location: now living in alabama Posts: 2,433	.25 ACP for obvious reasons. I guess it would help if I had smaller fingers and could find a powder that was more forgiving. Maybe bp would help. __________________ No such thing as a stupid question. What is stupid is not asking it.

October 10, 2009, 04:42 PM	#39
aerod1 Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2000 Location: Garland Texas U.S.A. Posts: 734	Anything I have to trim. I love reloading everything but it seems the trimming process is the part I like the least. __________________ NRA Life Member, TSRA Life Member, C&R 03 FFL, Texas LTC Recreational Reloader U.S. Navy Veteran (USS Midway V-1 Division)

October 10, 2009, 11:51 PM	#40
Crankylove Senior Member Join Date: July 8, 2008 Location: 8B ID Posts: 1,753	Well........least favorite to load for is my .22 Hornet......always end up pinching fingers trying to hold those little teeny bullets on the case mouth. I am sure I will also hate trimming brass for it.........if I ever do. Have some cases with 10+ loadings thru them, and I have never trimmed a Hornet case yet.

October 12, 2009, 11:31 AM	#43
CraigC Junior member Join Date: November 28, 2001 Location: West Tennessee Posts: 4,300	By contrast, I've never had any trouble with the .38-40. Only use Starline brass, lost very few cases and none of my guns mangle the brass. My Browning 53 .32-20 is a little rough on cases though.

October 12, 2009, 01:12 PM	#44
Tony R Junior Member Join Date: September 18, 2009 Location: Vancouver Wa Posts: 13	I don't like resizing and reaming the nickle brass for my 50AE.

October 13, 2009, 12:56 AM	#45
mnshortdraw Member Join Date: October 1, 2008 Location: Kodiak, AK Posts: 49	The 14/221 has been a real challenge for me.

October 13, 2009, 04:50 AM	#46
Sidewinder72 Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2008 Location: Kansas Posts: 130	It would have to be the .380 and 9MM. To big hands and small cases.

October 13, 2009, 06:01 AM	#47
darkgael Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2006 Location: Homes in Brooklyn, NY and in Pennsylvania. Posts: 5,473	hate?? Not hate but certainly the most trouble - .30 Carbine. That stiff little case.....any case that requires some lube even in a carbide die is more trouble than normal. Maybe I should put down .25 ACP - harder to handle and the powder charge is minute. I use factory ammo 99% of the time. Pete __________________ “Auto racing, bull fighting, and mountain climbing are the only real sports ... all others are games.” Ernest Hemingway ... NRA Life Member

October 13, 2009, 06:46 AM	#48
SKULLANDCROSSBONES65 Senior Member Join Date: August 19, 2008 Location: Far Nth Wst QLD Australia Posts: 992	G'day. The round I most hate to reload, is the ones I don't get to shoot. Now that you have got my intrest in this thread, I'll Have to go back and read all the posts. __________________ If you're not confused, you're not trying hard enough! When you're confused, I'll try to use smaller words!!!

October 14, 2009, 05:37 PM	#49
Tomas204 Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 2009 Location: Oregon Posts: 144	204 Rugers I have to load enough for 3 shooters and these Bullets are tiny ,and my 405 took a little getting used to but hate No not 1 I love reloading just tomany guns ,did I just say that

October 14, 2009, 05:44 PM	#50
GLShooter Member Join Date: September 15, 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 47	The 25 ACP is a pain. I hate dipping 1 grain of bullseye with a cut off 22 short case!! :barf: Greg