Kel-Tec new shotgun coming?

[bigghoss]

You're saying they in no way looked at the Neostad, decided on some changes and produced this? Really???.......

no, I'm saying we don't know what their train of thought was. for all I know they started with a neostead and came up with this. or maybe nobody at KT has ever heard of a neostead. could be either one. somebody at some point had to come up with the original idea for others to base off of so who's to say people don't still do that to some extent?

[DRT300]

Very cool. Wonder if it will cycle properly with lighter loads?

[rantingredneck]

you didn't but others on other boards have been.

So you're putting other peoples words from other forums into my mouth and arguing with me over them? Have fun with that.....

Very cool. Wonder if it will cycle properly with lighter loads?

It should, it's a pump......

[Bill DeShivs]

Gosh, everybody copies Keltec, and no one thinks anything of it.
What would be wrong with Keltec taking a basic idea and improving on it?

[bigghoss]

So you're putting other peoples words from other forums into my mouth and arguing with me over them? Have fun with that.....

I have not once tried to do that. I have only been trying to support my original point, which was in response to someone else' post in the first place. and really if you go back and look again the worst thing I did was misuse "copying" when I should have said "basing on". I suppose the two aren't technically interchangeable.

[kozak6]

That's a neat looking shotgun. I wonder how much it is going to cost.

I also wonder about availability once it hits production.

I think a more accurate statement is that it's based on the RFB and inspired by the Neostead. Stating that it is based on the Neostead implies more of a connection than there really is. About all they have in common is the same basic concept and external appearance.

[armoredman]

I don't care if they based it off the 10mm caseless pulse rifles off the movie Aliens - I want one!

[UniversalFrost]

I'm with your armoredman.

and i wish the two ranting fools would take their arguement into PM's or emails and off this thread.

great looking shotty and on the short list for me.

I have owned several keltecs in teh past and wouldnt heistate to buy this shotty just for teh gee-whiz factor.

[Falcon642]

MSRP in the $800 range according to an update that just went up on Kel Tec's website.

http://www.keltecweapons.com/news/pr...ec-shotgun-ksg

If MSRP is $800 maybe picking one up for $600 after all the hype dies down won't be too much wishful thinking

[riggins_83]

A friend and I have been talking about these.

We're thinking we're going to wait until there's at least some track record of how they work, but I am VERY interested in possibly picking one up.

+1 for that. I was going to do the same with the PMR-30 but they've been so hard to find around here I'm being forced anyway...

[rantingredneck]

and i wish the two ranting fools would take their arguement into PM's or emails and off this thread.

Given that the muzzle and chamber are much closer to the shooter I would wager that muzzle jump on this shotgun will be markedly less than a comparable weight 18" traditional pump. Unless I've got the physics bassackward in my head. Which has happened before.......

What's the unloaded weight? anyone know?

Fully loaded it gains almost a pound

[NightSleeper]

That thing has dual magazines, side by side. You flip a switch to determine which mag (left or right) is feeding the chamber. It holds 14+1 total.

That blows me away. Why didn't I ever think of that???

[rantingredneck]

Gosh, everybody copies Keltec, and no one thinks anything of it.
What would be wrong with Keltec taking a basic idea and improving on it?

Nothing at all Bill. Just like there's nothing wrong when someone takes a Keltec product and improves upon it.

I'm glad they fixed the bassackward pump stroke of the South African design. That seems like one of those things that could get someone killed due to reverting to muscle memory when prior training with a traditional pump kicks in.

[Mike Irwin]

"That thing has dual magazines, side by side. You flip a switch to determine which mag (left or right) is feeding the chamber. It holds 14+1 total."


My friend and I were talking about that particular feature, how you can load two different types of loads, say slugs and buckshot....

In fact, it's so neat that I've come up with a new game that you can play with home invaders...

It's called "Guess what's coming your way next".

[zippy13]

Fully loaded it gains almost a pound

Actually, with 14+1 it could be well over a pound, just in lead!

[rantingredneck]

True, I was just considering lead in my rough math in my head. Figuring 1 oz per shell, but it could be more lead in each and that doesn't account for hull/wad/powder.

[rantingredneck]

In fact, it's so near that I've come up with a new game that you can play with home invaders...

It's called "Guess what's coming your way next".
__________________

You'll feel like a gameshow host:

"Behind door number one we have a lovely charge of 00 buckshot"

"Behind door number two we have a 1oz. Brenneke KO slug"

"So, Mr. Badguy, would you prefer 9 .33 caliber holes or one .729 caliber hole?"

[Technosavant]

At $800 I'm likely to give it a miss; not that it doesn't look like a great HD weapon, but I don't know that it's going to add $800 worth of utility to my firearm portfolio. If you're starting from scratch that's one thing, but I already have an 870 and a Saiga 12.

Impressive design, I'm just kinda surprised that K-T is looking at that price range; their stuff is usually surprisingly low priced.

[Mike Irwin]

Where is the $800 price tag coming from?

Has Keltec said that's what it's going to be, or is that an estimation?

[UniversalFrost]

i seriously doubt it will be $800... maybe that is an MSRP, but in reality when shops like buds, cheaper than dirt, etc. get hold of them it will be in the 500 range (that is considering the $800 msrp)... personally i would wager a guess of the mid $450 range based upon the fact that it utilizes portions of their existing rifles and carbines and if they use a standard barrel and mag tubes from say a mossy or remington and just modify them the cost can be kept down.

[GoOfY-FoOt]

NightSleeper wrote: That blows me away.

That's too funny...

And, Yes...$800 sounds a bit steep for a K-T.
Even the price-gougers with the rare PMR's were only getting $650, or thereabouts.

I'm glad I have a friend with an FFL....

[beex215]

800 is too much for me. ill spend 500 max ish

[Technosavant]

Where is the $800 price tag coming from?

Has Keltec said that's what it's going to be, or is that an estimation?

Falcon642 gave a link to K-T's website, where they say they're looking in the $800 range for pricing.

While I'm sure it will street for less, that's only if there's more supply than demand, and from the reactions I've seen across the internet, that won't be the case unless the price scares some folks off.

Kel-Tecs tend to be functional if a bit cheap/plasticy feeling (in my opinion), and $800 is a bit much for a pump gun if it has a weird feel to it (not the bullpup form factor, but I'm meaning the grip and the various surfaces of the thing). At $500 it's way more compelling, but much over $600, I have to take a step back and adopt a "wait and see" attitude.

[Duckboat Brown]

I emailed KT direct a couple days ago, and this is what I got in the mail when I got home from work today:


Hi Jeff,



The KSG won’t be available until late 2011. The MSRP has not been officially set, but we are looking at the $800.00 range.



Thanks

Mike G

Customer Service

Kel Tec CNC, INC.

321-631-0068

All things considered, there's no way in hell this gun will sell well at $800. That MSRP puts it into AR15 territory, and I'd much rather have an $800 AR than I would an $800 plastic shotgun.

[Tanner777]

go saiga 12ga 10rd or 12rd, its an overgrown ak, robust from what I read