Sig P6 -vs- Ruger P95

daliff89 · August 17, 2011, 04:07 PM

i've been trying to decide which 9mm to buy for a while, finally decided on two pistols that i can buy right now that are in my price range

one is an all black, LNIB Ruger P95 from a local gun store

it can be had for $310.00 + tax, which would make it $328.60 OTD

the other is an all black, used Sig P6 from a local pawn shop

it can be had for $400 + tax, which would make it $424 OTD

the primary use for this pistol will be for range use

both fit my hands well, the Sig a little better, but the Ruger's size may help it in the recoil department if it's not hurt by being polymer

all opinions are greatly appreciated

WVsig · August 17, 2011, 04:21 PM

Too much for the Sig. They are not worth more than $350. IMHO there was a time they were $300 guns.

That said they are better guns than the Ruger IMHO.

Jeff OTMG · August 17, 2011, 05:47 PM

I love the SIG P225, so much so I have two of them. I like it so much that when I went to Guam it was the only 'full size' gun I took for concealed carry, S&W 39 and Seecamp 32 were the other two. I even shot it in an IPSC match while I was there and did very well with it, although I had to bullseye the course since it was a 9mm which is slower.

I don't think that $400 is bad at all IF it is in good condition. Look at the price of any other SIG currently in production. I just bought a P220C last week and thought that I got a great deal at $600. Sure the P225 use to be $350, but I remember that a Colt AR-15 was $300 NIB and I have a Shooters Bible with a Thompson Submachinegun for $200. Used Lugers and 1911's were $50 at one time. I bought about twenty Walther PP-32 for $189 each. I bought three Glock 17's when they frist came out, $295 each. Good guns increase in price as the years go by.

daliff89 · August 17, 2011, 05:57 PM

this is a pic from GunBroker that shows a P6 in similar condition

Skadoosh · August 17, 2011, 06:00 PM

The Sig P6 does not have the same barrel ramp angle as the Sig P225 as it was designed to use ball ammo only. Many Sig P6 owners find that their P6's wont reliably feed JHP ammo. I bought a P6 for $350 OTD and found that it would only shoot ball ammo. For a while I was carrying Powerball ammo in it.

Eventually I had the ramp worked over and polished professionally...but even then it still would not reliably feed JHP ammo. I finally had a new P225 barrel put in it and gave it the 200 round reliability check. Eats anything I feed it. I now carry the P6 with complete confidence.

It is a very well balanced pistol and one of the biggest draws for me is that it fits my hand like it was made for me alone. It is a single stack 8+1 so I find that it is concealed easily enough...and now with the new barrel its 100% reliable with all brands of JHP ammo...and, as most Sigs are, it is freakishly accurate.

WVsig · August 17, 2011, 06:02 PM

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The Sig P6 does not have the same barrel ramp angle as the Sig P225 as it was designed to use ball ammo only. Many Sig P6 owners find that their P6's wont reliably feed JHP ammo. I am among them. I bought a P6 for $350 OTD and found that it would only shoot ball ammo. For a while I was carrying Powerball ammo in it.

It depends on its born on date....

Also in the used market you can find refinished p6 for $400.

Skadoosh · August 17, 2011, 06:03 PM

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It depends on its born on date....

1987 is the magical date I believe?

WVsig · August 17, 2011, 06:09 PM

Sig P6's manufactured after June 14th, 1989, have an improved feed ramp. The one on the left will feed JHP.

rep1954 · August 17, 2011, 06:33 PM

It's funny I dont normally visit or post here on the semi-auto forum as I have become so consumed with single actions but I clicked on it to tell about what a great time me and my son had this weekend shooting our semi-autos. One of them a Sig P6 that I bought from Dan's when he was selling the German Police trade ins. Seems to me I paid $229.00 for it at the time. so far between a 226R, 226 DAK, and a 228 this P6 is my favorite. I would pay up to $450.00 for one as nice as mine is before investing $700.00 in a new 239. I've never had trouble with hollow points in mine but I have polished my ramp as I do on all my semi-autos. Mine is the most accurate centerfire semi-auto that I've owned. If it's a nice one I cant think of any other gun for the price in it's power and size range I'd rather have. As I understand it the police trade ins have the modified break away hammer spur and the military ones dont.

WVsig · August 17, 2011, 07:09 PM

I love my P225. In the world of hi cap wonder 9mms the P225/P6 is a diamond in the rough.

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If it's a nice one I cant think of any other gun for the price in it's power and size range I'd rather have. As I understand it the police trade ins have the modified break away hammer spur and the military ones dont.

The police ones have the notch hammer which told the armorer if the cop dropped it....

Commercial ones do not. I do not know of any military version but my memory is fading...

excelerater · August 17, 2011, 07:33 PM

ruger SR9 is 398.00 and a great value

EDIT 360.00 at buds today.......I picked up one on an imp buy

daliff89 · August 17, 2011, 07:49 PM

yes, the SR9 has gotten great reviews

however, i'm looking for a SA/DA pistol for certain reasons

thanks for the post though

i'm taking it that most everyone would take the Sig over the Ruger if not for price? and WVSig, since you're in the same state as me, if you could point me in the direction of anyone not charging ridiculous prices for guns i'd appreciate it haha

Discern · August 17, 2011, 08:27 PM

The Ruger P95 has a reputation for not having any feeding or ejection issues. It was one of the few polymer 9mm handguns that passed the requirements and testing of the U.S. Army. A contract for 5,000 P95's was awarded to Ruger in late 2004. If you choose the P95, I suggest adding this grip. You can get them for $10 or less.

http://www.hoguestore.com/index.php?...ndex&cPath=114

pilpens · August 17, 2011, 08:33 PM

Ruger P95 or Sig P6 just for range use?
Sig P6 but ... at $425 OTD, it should be in very good condition.
I bought mine for $320 OTD (looked new with 2 mags, dated 09/01) when beaten ones sold for $250+ tax approximately 4-5 years ago.
I replaced the recoil and mainspring with P225 springs. It accurate and reliable. It used to be my primary CCW until I replaced it with a Walther p99 da/sa.

paddling_man · August 17, 2011, 08:45 PM

I paid $315 otd a couple of years ago for a P6. It was a born-on of, IIRC, 1981. It fed 3-4 types of JHP without incident. It is understandably a gamble, unless you plan to shoot PowRBall only for defense ammo. Mine was boringly reliable and accurate. I did feel that it was a touch big for a single-stack 9mm but still wish I had kept it. I now DEARLY love my P228 that is more or less a double-stack of the same form gun. Many, many folks swear by their P225/P6 for CCW. You'll find comparatively few that carry P-series Rugers though the P95 is one of the more svelte... if you call 28oz svelte.

I would look for a 3913 3rd gen smith if a single-stack, carry 9mm for less than or around $400 is your goal in da/sa.

(Used P6s are going for $400 regularly now that the surplus/trade-in supply has dwindled. $400 is about normal now--- not so a year ago.)

BTW - the recoil from a 9mm in a P6 was nothing...

springer99 · August 18, 2011, 07:12 AM

Yep, another vote for the P6. It's a SIG that, fitted with a set of Pachmyr wrap-arounds, just flat-out fits me. These days, around 400-425.00 seems to be the going price; at least for one in very good condition.

IMHO If a single-stack 9 isn't enough, you don't belong in the fight.

Will Beararms · August 18, 2011, 08:06 AM

Sig SP2022 9mm - $399.99 NIB

zukiphile · August 18, 2011, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by discern

The Ruger P95 has a reputation for not having any feeding or ejection issues. It was one of the few polymer 9mm handguns that passed the requirements and testing of the U.S. Army. A contract for 5,000 P95's was awarded to Ruger in late 2004. If you choose the P95, I suggest adding this grip. You can get them for $10 or less.

The P95s I've fired have had very crisp SA triggers and shot very gently. It would be an exaggeration to say that it recoils like a .22, but it wouldn't be a big exaggeration. If I didn't already have a P239 that suits my purpose adequately, a P95 would be my choice.

Be sure that you can tolerate the magazine release button that is not just a button to depress as on a 1911. It is an ambidextrous lever that hinges forward, if I recall.

Also, let me suggest bicycle innertube rather than the Hogue product. You can get suitable innertube remnants for free at any bike shop.

daliff89 · August 18, 2011, 12:34 PM

so that's a bunch of votes for the Sig and one for the Ruger?

that's the complete opposite from the other site i posted this same dilemma on haha

thanks fellas

Jeff OTMG · August 18, 2011, 12:46 PM

Obviously TFL is a much more refined community.

Single Six · August 18, 2011, 12:49 PM

One more vote for the Ruger, based on experience with the P95, and two very negative experiences with a Sig.

daliff89 · August 18, 2011, 01:03 PM

@Jeff OTMG

haha i think it has to do with price and people not reading the whole post to be honest

like, most of the discussion in here has been centered around the Sig being 'too high' but that it's a better pistol

and most of the discussion over there has been the Ruger does the same thing as the Sig at the range and costs less

learned the 'don't post the price in the thread' lesson haha

WVsig · August 18, 2011, 01:18 PM

Price is a major consideration but I think the price difference is worth it for the Sig. The other downside to the P6 is the cost of the mags. They are $40 to $50 a piece unless you buy Promags which are hit or miss. If it is range gun you can get Promags and replace the springs. The follwers and the bodies are not terrible it is the springs that suck. I would not carry with them but at the range they are ok.

Another gun to consider is the Sig Pro SP2022. It is a NIB $400 gun and IMHO is more suited as a 9mm range piece.

daliff89 · August 18, 2011, 01:29 PM

i've looked at the 2022 but i can't find one down here for anywhere near that price

this is actually the first Sig i've ever seen in Southern WV for less than $600...

ESI Agent · August 18, 2011, 01:45 PM

The Ruger P95 is a durable/reliable workhorse. I took one of mine to the range on Tuesday for my firearm requal and qualified expert with it. It also has a life time warranty and made in the U.S.

August 17, 2011, 04:07 PM	#1
daliff89 Senior Member Join Date: June 28, 2011 Posts: 123	Sig P6 -vs- Ruger P95 i've been trying to decide which 9mm to buy for a while, finally decided on two pistols that i can buy right now that are in my price range one is an all black, LNIB Ruger P95 from a local gun store it can be had for $310.00 + tax, which would make it $328.60 OTD the other is an all black, used Sig P6 from a local pawn shop it can be had for $400 + tax, which would make it $424 OTD the primary use for this pistol will be for range use both fit my hands well, the Sig a little better, but the Ruger's size may help it in the recoil department if it's not hurt by being polymer all opinions are greatly appreciated

August 17, 2011, 04:21 PM	#2
WVsig Senior Member Join Date: June 30, 2010 Location: NC Posts: 5,309	Too much for the Sig. They are not worth more than $350. IMHO there was a time they were $300 guns. That said they are better guns than the Ruger IMHO. __________________ -The right to be left alone is the most comprehensive of rights, and the right most valued by free people.-Louis Brandeis -Its a tool box... I don't care you put the tools in for the job that's all... -Sam from Ronin -It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle

August 17, 2011, 06:00 PM	#5
Skadoosh Senior Member Join Date: December 13, 2010 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 2,016	The Sig P6 does not have the same barrel ramp angle as the Sig P225 as it was designed to use ball ammo only. Many Sig P6 owners find that their P6's wont reliably feed JHP ammo. I bought a P6 for $350 OTD and found that it would only shoot ball ammo. For a while I was carrying Powerball ammo in it. Eventually I had the ramp worked over and polished professionally...but even then it still would not reliably feed JHP ammo. I finally had a new P225 barrel put in it and gave it the 200 round reliability check. Eats anything I feed it. I now carry the P6 with complete confidence. It is a very well balanced pistol and one of the biggest draws for me is that it fits my hand like it was made for me alone. It is a single stack 8+1 so I find that it is concealed easily enough...and now with the new barrel its 100% reliable with all brands of JHP ammo...and, as most Sigs are, it is freakishly accurate. __________________ NRA Life Member USN Retired

August 17, 2011, 06:09 PM	#8
WVsig Senior Member Join Date: June 30, 2010 Location: NC Posts: 5,309	Sig P6's manufactured after June 14th, 1989, have an improved feed ramp. The one on the left will feed JHP. __________________ -The right to be left alone is the most comprehensive of rights, and the right most valued by free people.-Louis Brandeis -Its a tool box... I don't care you put the tools in for the job that's all... -Sam from Ronin -It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle

August 17, 2011, 07:33 PM	#11
excelerater Junior member Join Date: June 27, 2011 Location: Memphis TN Posts: 694	ruger SR9 is 398.00 and a great value EDIT 360.00 at buds today.......I picked up one on an imp buy Last edited by excelerater; August 18, 2011 at 07:21 AM.

August 17, 2011, 05:47 PM	#3
Jeff OTMG Senior Member Join Date: October 15, 1998 Location: OKC, OK & Austin, Tx Posts: 3,707	I love the SIG P225, so much so I have two of them. I like it so much that when I went to Guam it was the only 'full size' gun I took for concealed carry, S&W 39 and Seecamp 32 were the other two. I even shot it in an IPSC match while I was there and did very well with it, although I had to bullseye the course since it was a 9mm which is slower. I don't think that $400 is bad at all IF it is in good condition. Look at the price of any other SIG currently in production. I just bought a P220C last week and thought that I got a great deal at $600. Sure the P225 use to be $350, but I remember that a Colt AR-15 was $300 NIB and I have a Shooters Bible with a Thompson Submachinegun for $200. Used Lugers and 1911's were $50 at one time. I bought about twenty Walther PP-32 for $189 each. I bought three Glock 17's when they frist came out, $295 each. Good guns increase in price as the years go by.

August 17, 2011, 05:57 PM	#4
daliff89 Senior Member Join Date: June 28, 2011 Posts: 123	this is a pic from GunBroker that shows a P6 in similar condition

August 17, 2011, 06:33 PM	#9
rep1954 Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2009 Location: Mid Western Michigan Posts: 1,187	It's funny I dont normally visit or post here on the semi-auto forum as I have become so consumed with single actions but I clicked on it to tell about what a great time me and my son had this weekend shooting our semi-autos. One of them a Sig P6 that I bought from Dan's when he was selling the German Police trade ins. Seems to me I paid $229.00 for it at the time. so far between a 226R, 226 DAK, and a 228 this P6 is my favorite. I would pay up to $450.00 for one as nice as mine is before investing $700.00 in a new 239. I've never had trouble with hollow points in mine but I have polished my ramp as I do on all my semi-autos. Mine is the most accurate centerfire semi-auto that I've owned. If it's a nice one I cant think of any other gun for the price in it's power and size range I'd rather have. As I understand it the police trade ins have the modified break away hammer spur and the military ones dont.

August 17, 2011, 07:49 PM	#12
daliff89 Senior Member Join Date: June 28, 2011 Posts: 123	yes, the SR9 has gotten great reviews however, i'm looking for a SA/DA pistol for certain reasons thanks for the post though i'm taking it that most everyone would take the Sig over the Ruger if not for price? and WVSig, since you're in the same state as me, if you could point me in the direction of anyone not charging ridiculous prices for guns i'd appreciate it haha

August 17, 2011, 08:27 PM	#13
Discern Senior Member Join Date: July 30, 2011 Posts: 471	The Ruger P95 has a reputation for not having any feeding or ejection issues. It was one of the few polymer 9mm handguns that passed the requirements and testing of the U.S. Army. A contract for 5,000 P95's was awarded to Ruger in late 2004. If you choose the P95, I suggest adding this grip. You can get them for $10 or less. http://www.hoguestore.com/index.php?...ndex&cPath=114

August 17, 2011, 08:33 PM	#14
pilpens Senior Member Join Date: April 24, 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,696	Ruger P95 or Sig P6 just for range use? Sig P6 but ... at $425 OTD, it should be in very good condition. I bought mine for $320 OTD (looked new with 2 mags, dated 09/01) when beaten ones sold for $250+ tax approximately 4-5 years ago. I replaced the recoil and mainspring with P225 springs. It accurate and reliable. It used to be my primary CCW until I replaced it with a Walther p99 da/sa. Last edited by pilpens; August 17, 2011 at 08:39 PM.

August 17, 2011, 08:45 PM	#15
paddling_man Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2006 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 118	I paid $315 otd a couple of years ago for a P6. It was a born-on of, IIRC, 1981. It fed 3-4 types of JHP without incident. It is understandably a gamble, unless you plan to shoot PowRBall only for defense ammo. Mine was boringly reliable and accurate. I did feel that it was a touch big for a single-stack 9mm but still wish I had kept it. I now DEARLY love my P228 that is more or less a double-stack of the same form gun. Many, many folks swear by their P225/P6 for CCW. You'll find comparatively few that carry P-series Rugers though the P95 is one of the more svelte... if you call 28oz svelte. I would look for a 3913 3rd gen smith if a single-stack, carry 9mm for less than or around $400 is your goal in da/sa. (Used P6s are going for $400 regularly now that the surplus/trade-in supply has dwindled. $400 is about normal now--- not so a year ago.) BTW - the recoil from a 9mm in a P6 was nothing... Last edited by paddling_man; August 17, 2011 at 08:50 PM.

August 18, 2011, 07:12 AM	#16
springer99 Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 2008 Posts: 355	Yep, another vote for the P6. It's a SIG that, fitted with a set of Pachmyr wrap-arounds, just flat-out fits me. These days, around 400-425.00 seems to be the going price; at least for one in very good condition. IMHO If a single-stack 9 isn't enough, you don't belong in the fight.

August 18, 2011, 08:06 AM	#17
Will Beararms Senior Member Join Date: October 12, 1999 Location: North Texas Posts: 2,834	Sig SP2022 9mm - $399.99 NIB __________________ "Without a rifle you are nothing, worthless, you are waiting for death, any minute, any second." -- Aron Bielski

August 18, 2011, 12:34 PM	#19
daliff89 Senior Member Join Date: June 28, 2011 Posts: 123	so that's a bunch of votes for the Sig and one for the Ruger? that's the complete opposite from the other site i posted this same dilemma on haha thanks fellas

August 18, 2011, 12:46 PM	#20
Jeff OTMG Senior Member Join Date: October 15, 1998 Location: OKC, OK & Austin, Tx Posts: 3,707	Obviously TFL is a much more refined community.

August 18, 2011, 12:49 PM	#21
Single Six Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2010 Location: N.C. Posts: 1,522	One more vote for the Ruger, based on experience with the P95, and two very negative experiences with a Sig. __________________ Seen on a bumper sticker: "Exercise. Eat right. Take vitamins. Die anyway."

August 18, 2011, 01:03 PM	#22
daliff89 Senior Member Join Date: June 28, 2011 Posts: 123	@Jeff OTMG haha i think it has to do with price and people not reading the whole post to be honest like, most of the discussion in here has been centered around the Sig being 'too high' but that it's a better pistol and most of the discussion over there has been the Ruger does the same thing as the Sig at the range and costs less learned the 'don't post the price in the thread' lesson haha

August 18, 2011, 01:18 PM	#23
WVsig Senior Member Join Date: June 30, 2010 Location: NC Posts: 5,309	Price is a major consideration but I think the price difference is worth it for the Sig. The other downside to the P6 is the cost of the mags. They are $40 to $50 a piece unless you buy Promags which are hit or miss. If it is range gun you can get Promags and replace the springs. The follwers and the bodies are not terrible it is the springs that suck. I would not carry with them but at the range they are ok. Another gun to consider is the Sig Pro SP2022. It is a NIB $400 gun and IMHO is more suited as a 9mm range piece. __________________ -The right to be left alone is the most comprehensive of rights, and the right most valued by free people.-Louis Brandeis -Its a tool box... I don't care you put the tools in for the job that's all... -Sam from Ronin -It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle

August 18, 2011, 01:29 PM	#24
daliff89 Senior Member Join Date: June 28, 2011 Posts: 123	i've looked at the 2022 but i can't find one down here for anywhere near that price this is actually the first Sig i've ever seen in Southern WV for less than $600...

August 18, 2011, 01:45 PM	#25
ESI Agent Senior Member Join Date: June 6, 2004 Posts: 414	The Ruger P95 is a durable/reliable workhorse. I took one of mine to the range on Tuesday for my firearm requal and qualified expert with it. It also has a life time warranty and made in the U.S.