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Old January 20, 2017, 02:54 PM   #76
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There are gobs of bullets for the 270 Winchester, more than anyone needs. In my 270, I limit myself to three bullet weights, i.e., 130, 140,150.
Just like most people who hunt with a .30-06 settle on 150, 165, and 180 grain bullets.

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I think you miss the point. 30 caliber is very popular, 270 not nearly as much and never will be.
Yes there are more bullets in .308 than .277, that has never been a point that I've missed. However, when you take all the match bullets, bullets requiring faster than 1;10 twist rate, FMJ, and bullets designed for lever actions in tube magazines the gap narrows considerably when it comes to hunting bullets .277 vs .308. The .270 Win has been in the top five sales of reloading dies according to RCBS, and top five in cartridge sales according to Federal for the last few years. I think the .270 holds its own even with its limited bullet selection.
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Old January 20, 2017, 02:59 PM   #77
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"Jack O Conner was the .270's biggest champion, he used if for just about everything, writers tend to have their cal/s. Mostly he was into sheep, deer and occasionally elk."

When Jack O'Connor retired from Outdoor Life, he was interviewed by Jim Carmichel on his career with the Magazine. One question that he was asked was, If you had to give up all your rifles for North America except one, what caliber would it be?" Jack answered unhesitatingly, "The 30-06!" Even Mr. .270 admitted the superiority of the 30-06.
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Old January 20, 2017, 04:47 PM   #78
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What is the top selling die?


And along with 30-06, its the first caliber to come out in any long action.

Its a fine caliber, deerly loved (pun) its just not an 06.
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Old January 20, 2017, 07:58 PM   #79
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What is the top selling die?
Same as the top selling centerfire cartridge .223 Rem.
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Old January 21, 2017, 01:28 AM   #80
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RCBS has this as their 2013 top selling list. I think the intent of the original question was for hunting. The .223 isn't usually considered a hunting round other than varmints but it's quite popular for plinking and some target applications so I'm not surprised it's at the top. I will say, that list would shuffle a lot depending on the state and it's offerings.

1..223 Remington
2..308 Winchester
3..30-06 Springfield
4..243 Winchester
5..270 Winchester
6..300 Winchester Magnum
7..22-250 Remington
8.7mm Remington Magnum
9..30-30 Winchester
10..25-06 Remington
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Old January 21, 2017, 01:11 PM   #81
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TOYSTRY,

Most animals you kill. Few you stop and then kill.

Either of the four will work.

Buy the best quality rifle you can afford. I'd buy a good condition used Sako before I bought a new lots of rifles.

If you have a Sako AV in .280 Rem, you might just have the best of the best.
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Old January 21, 2017, 04:15 PM   #82
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I would not have guess 223.

Yea there's bazillions of them out there but I don't see them as reloader.

So much for what I know.

I should have guessed 308 next.

Not surprised 30-06 is right up there.

surprised at 270 even that close (for reloading)
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Old January 21, 2017, 07:46 PM   #83
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You go to a small country store out in the West, they'll have 30-06, 270 and 30-30 almost always. No surprise 30-06 and 270 are in the top five.
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Old January 21, 2017, 11:45 PM   #84
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Here is a 2014 list of top selling rifle cartridges from Federal Cartridge.

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1. .223 Remington/5.56mm NATO
2. .308 Winchester/7.62x51mm NATO
3. .30-’06 Springfield
4. .30-30 Winchester
5. .270 Winchester
6. .243 Winchester
7. .300 Winchester Magnum
8. 7mm Remington Magnum
9. 7.62x39
10. .300 Winchester Short Magnum
11. .22-250 Remington
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Old January 22, 2017, 09:44 AM   #85
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The 300 WSM surprises me. All the rest, I easily agree with. I wonder if it would be the same universal or if it is just high in fed list since so few companies load it, and many that do only make seasonal runs of it.
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The 300 WSM surprises me. All the rest, I easily agree with. I wonder if it would be the same universal or if it is just high in fed list since so few companies load it, and many that do only make seasonal runs of it.
Here is a 2015 Average list of best selling cartridges. .300 WSM didn't make the list but was an honorable mention. As far as loaded ammo it's sold under all these labels Winchester, Federal, Remington, Hornady, Norma, Browning, Nosler, HSM, Cor-Bon, and Doubletap.

For RC20 the second list confirms that the .270 isn't wildly popular in Alaska.
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Old January 22, 2017, 11:13 AM   #87
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I know here in Co when we host sight-in for the public at our gun club we see pretty good mix mags and standard calibers 30-06,270,308.
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Old January 22, 2017, 01:44 PM   #88
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For Alaska there always has been that possibility of getting a Moose, or that is what you are hunting period.

That and Brown bears that are always a possibility, ergo 06 now or better and 06 almost exclusively back in the day (sans Elmer and Jack who would hunt with other stuff but what they took vs indigenous take was miniscule.

270 a dang good sheep gun, Caribou and deer (various types). If that was all I was after it would be a great choice.

What surprises me about 223 for re-load. I know its shot a whole lot more than anything else. I just would not have guess people would try to reload it that much. Itty bitty hard to handle thing, like reloading 9mm!

I get the 270 sells high up there cartridge wise, just didn't figure it would be high reloading wise. Top 20 but not top 10..

One of the good reasons of a 270 and 06 is as mentioned, there will be those two and 30-30 in any backwoods store. Loose your loads, bad reloads or have to re-sight and low and you still have a sources.
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Old January 22, 2017, 01:50 PM   #89
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The 300 WSM surprises me.
If you check that list in 10 years the 300 WSM may not still be that high on it, while I'd wager the 30-06, 270, 243, 223 will probably still be at or near the top.
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Old January 22, 2017, 03:40 PM   #90
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It's no surprise that the 30-'06 is at the top of the list for Alaska. Interesting is the fact that 270 Winchester beats the 308 up there.
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Old January 22, 2017, 07:21 PM   #91
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Alaska, data is 17yrs old.
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Old January 22, 2017, 11:10 PM   #92
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Yes the Alaska Data is old but there isn't anything newer really out there. There was a more recent article that referenced the old poll as well as an "unscientific poll" from 2015 on an Alaskan hunting forum. Here is the the article "Alaska's Top Gun".
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Old January 23, 2017, 01:38 AM   #93
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I guess if I lived in Alaska I know who this guy was

One thing I’ve learned after 14 years at the (rifle) range is that everybody’s an expert,” said Hunter Education Coordinator Lee Rogers.
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"Yes the Alaska Data is old but there isn't anything newer really out there. There was a more recent article that referenced the old poll as well as an "unscientific poll" from 2015 on an Alaskan hunting forum. Here is the the article "Alaska's Top Gun". "

I happen to know Lee, great guy and knows what he speaks of. I think his poll is right on too. I spend a lot of time at the same range he instructs at and yes, the 30-06 is at the top. The 338 has long been a favorite here but has given ground to the 300 win mag. I spend a good amount of time at the range and the place is packed just before the season opens. What's interesting is you can tell the sheep hunters from the moose and bear hunters just looking at the barrels. Light and skinny and one of the boutique short cartridges and it has sheep written all over it. Standard to slightly on the heavy side and it's going for moose and bear along with deer as they are found in bear country here in Alaska. We don't have a lot of varmints here and no hogs so you won't see those type guns.
Going forward, I would expect to see the .338 fade a little more and the .300 win mag take over the top spot with the 30-06 always in the top 3-4.
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supercub99. This is interesting article

http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/...s-Too-Much-Gun
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Old January 25, 2017, 06:59 AM   #96
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I like loading for both, doesnt take much to make them happy.
And Im not sure I could just pick between 3006 and .270 win, they both have thier niche in the hunting world.
What I dig is finding or building rifles that hunt well no matter how powerful they are, or ballistically superior to one and another.....
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Old January 25, 2017, 05:52 PM   #97
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Neither 270 or 30-06 is a Niche cartridge let alone the hunting world.

While I have my preference, that simply is wrong.

The data belies that unless you are into alternative facts.

That's the point on the 30-06. Its not a niche, it covers almost the whole spectrum and in a pinch can cover it.

458 is a Niche cartridge.

505 Jeffries doubles is as well.

Not sure if 270 or 308 would be the next widely capable cartridge but they are right up there.
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Old January 25, 2017, 10:33 PM   #98
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Tikka T3 or Winchester Model 70 with Swarovski 3-9 scope mounted with Talley rings. 270 is best caliber. 7mm-08 is good too, but not 308.
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Old January 26, 2017, 06:00 AM   #99
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RC20, I forget you know everything, excuse me.
Me and you differ on what Niche means to me.
Its niche as a proven .30 cartridge since 1903, and changed in 1906, hence the 30-06. Its power has been proven in the woods, on the mountains and prairies, let alone many countless battelfields, and has been popular to many hunters over the century.
The .270 win, born in1928 has garnered its own success in the hunting world as a flat shooting mild recoiling, and quick killing round.
They have a Niche in my hunting and shooting world.
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Old January 26, 2017, 05:53 PM   #100
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First of all I have no problem with a good debate and disagreement.

So, if you disagree with me, say so, be it my logic or definition of a word, bring in facts that support the argument, you name it.

Don't start off with "You know everything".

You want to know as much as I do, read as much as I do, have done as much as I have and worked at it as hard as I have.

I also like the questions and looked up Niche. I have taken it to be a vary narrow aspect. It can be.

Its also somewhat ambiguous or maybe very as the Niche can be quite wide.

So, I will more than readily grant that I took it one way and you mean it another and there is certainly supportive material to support your view.

What's relevant is the supportive part of your assertion.


Does that make you happy? (note that's another one of those statement that tick me off). Damned if I know if its Passive aggressive, micro aggressive of what.

I stand corrected or willing to learn is a vastly better and more correct one.
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