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Old December 25, 2011, 03:35 PM   #51
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Does a 357 have too much recoil? ONLY if you are firing one of those "Mystery Metal" S&W snubs that weigh as much as a paper clip!
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Old December 25, 2011, 03:53 PM   #52
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DFrame Does a 357 have too much recoil? ONLY if you are firing one of those "Mystery Metal" S&W snubs that weigh as much as a paper clip!
+1. Recoil is simply the physics involved. Mass is part of the equation and the less mass in the gun itself, the more recoil you will absorb. I went with the SP101 instead of the LCR in large part over the weight issue and felt recoil. Even my little SP101 with full load .357 feels almost like shooting my SRH .44 magnum with full loads. Not quite as much recoil as the .44, but it is right up there.

My CCW instructor, a man who speaks at national and international gun events, with 20 years in the MP's for the Army and a recognized firearms expert states it is not fun to shoot those scandium pistols. He always pocket carries a 13 oz scandium .357 as his EDC or BUG if he has a second IWB SA .45 ACP. He plainly states it hurts to shoot that gun. He puts 5 rounds a month through the beast just to have the muscle memory to use the beast when he needs to use it. But that is it, 5 rounds only since it is not the least bit fun to shoot. It is a tool he can easily conceal, but that is where the love relationship with this hand cannon ends.

On the other hand, my GP100 with 6" barrel is much easier to shoot and not a big deal compared to the SP101. I have shot up to a 100 rounds through my SP101 at one time, but I wouldn't call it a fun gun to shoot. It is my EDC and I feel confident in handling the high powered .357 max loads, but compared to the scandium 13 oz models, it is a joy to shoot.

If the weight of the gun does not tame the beast, your hand will, plain and simple physics.

I also agree with the statement, if you have to ask, then yes, it will be too much!!
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Old December 25, 2011, 04:18 PM   #53
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Oh heck no on the "too much recoil". They do have a loud, sharp, piercing report tho. Wear ear protection.


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Old December 25, 2011, 04:34 PM   #54
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I have never met a recoil I did not like. Out of a 6in tube 357 even hotloads should be manageable if not enjoyable imo. People have much different tolerances though I can't understand why people don't like shooting a 454 out of a 2in barrel when I think its a riot.
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Old December 25, 2011, 04:54 PM   #55
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No thanks on the .454. The last time I shot a .454 single handed, my hand was tingling for 5 minutes afterwards. Being an old man as I am, I decided to just go with the .44 magnum. Call me an old, but no thanks to the .454. For me, that was too much recoil.
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Old December 25, 2011, 05:22 PM   #56
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For those who always come up with the question of 357 Magnum recoil, keep in mind that the majority of current day loads are milder than the original 158 gr. Lead SWC @ 1550 fps. Bufalo Bore's 158 gr. SJHP load @ 1475 is the closest available today. The other major manufacturers keep their 158 gr. loads between the low for Blazer @ 1150, to most @ 1250 with a couple a little higher.
The reduction was brought about because of the popularity of the K frame sized 357 revolvers. It makes me wonder how long one of the "space aged" metal feather light, or plastic snubbies would stand up to the "real" 357 loads? Not to mention the young in's who seem to always ask the question.
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Old December 25, 2011, 07:09 PM   #57
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As others have observed, perceived recoil is highly subjective, and it has both a magnitude attribute and a shape attribute.

That said, I have a K-Frame .357 (3") and an N-Frame .357 (4"), each of which have the same Pachmayr stocks. I don't shoot .357s out of the K-Frame. A reasonably full house .357 round out of the N-Frame feels to me about the same as a factory-equivalent round out of the K-Frame.
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Old December 26, 2011, 03:14 AM   #58
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We compared shooting a .357 GP100 4" barrel Ruger, over some sub-compact 9mm semi-autos..... the 9mm semi-auto's definitely had much more noticeable recoil than the GP100. The .357 is louder, but didn't have more recoil. The barrel jerk , was much less with the GP100-.357.

So, out of a 6" barrel .357 such a good S&W or Ruger GP100, it shouldn't be an issue at all if you can handle a 9mm subcompact.
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Old December 26, 2011, 11:14 AM   #59
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I have a 6 inch barreled GP100. I shoot pretty warm 125 grainers (about 1400-1450 fps) out of it frequently. Out of a big heavy gun like the GP100 the recoil and muzzle flip is quite tame. It's loud, but the flash isn't bad at all (even at night).


I'd guess recoil and muzzle flip is comparable to an alloyed frame subcompact 1911, or alloy .38 snubby. Actually, the muzzle flip might be less because that full lugged 6 inch barrel does a lot.
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Old December 26, 2011, 12:11 PM   #60
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Does .357 Magnum Have too Much Recoil?
In an N frame like the 28?

I believe there is.

That's one of the main reasons I like the model 29 .44 magnum.

I handload a swaged lead 240 gr. hollow point over 17.5 grains of Alliant 2400 as an all around load.
It's good on paper for ~ 1100 fps and 700 lb. ft. of energy @ the muzzle.
It's a very soft shooting load in the N frame.
Again - on paper.
@ 100 yards, that load exceeds the muzzle energy of a very hot .357 mag, by ~ 100 ft pounds.
Short skinny is - that load is "better" @ 100 yards downrange, than a .357 mag is point blank.

Perhaps you should be looking at increasing the caliber in order to solve any issues of rapid recovery while maintaining maximum power levels.
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Old December 26, 2011, 09:36 PM   #61
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In an N frame like the 28?

I believe there is.

That's one of the main reasons I like the model 29 .44 magnum.

I handload a swaged lead 240 gr. hollow point over 17.5 grains of Alliant 2400 as an all around load.
It's good on paper for ~ 1100 fps and 700 lb. ft. of energy @ the muzzle.
It's a very soft shooting load in the N frame.
Again - on paper.
@ 100 yards, that load exceeds the muzzle energy of a very hot .357 mag, by ~ 100 ft pounds.
Short skinny is - that load is "better" @ 100 yards downrange, than a .357 mag is point blank.

Perhaps you should be looking at increasing the caliber in order to solve any issues of rapid recovery while maintaining maximum power levels.
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Old December 27, 2011, 01:29 AM   #62
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Absolutely!

It will take working up the right handload, but, yep - same principal as the .44Mag.

Alliant lists a 250 grain LSWC over 15.4 gr of 2400 @ 972 fps. That's ~ 523 ft lb of energy.
I use a similar load to that in my Blackhawk as an everyday range type load.
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Old December 27, 2011, 06:19 AM   #63
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recoil

"highly subjective"
You bet.

Is it too much?
For whom?
With what gun?

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Old December 27, 2011, 06:20 PM   #64
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You have to either get over being recoil sensitive or move on to a smaller caliber.
I load 14.5gr. if H-110 and 173gr. LSWC. I shoot one handed and the recoil is mild to me. I also fire my .44mag. on handed with 250gr. LSWC and 18.0gr. of 2400, again one handed. The recoil is a bit stiff,but I fire it enough that I can still acquire my target.

The key is practice, practice, practice if you want to overcome being sensitive to the recoil. Plus you will become more familuar and proficient with it.
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Old December 27, 2011, 10:24 PM   #65
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I had a beautiful model 27, 3 1/2 inch. I shot 357s very comfortably. Why did I sell it? Because I had no problem shooting 357s out of a k frame and thats what always went to the swamp with me.
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