New PCC 124gr 1345FPS. Sweden ammo cheaper than any US option if interested

[wild cat mccane]

https://normashooting.com/shop/calib...n-ammo-qty-50/

Seems like a plug for Norma. But it's not. Not too many factory rounds at this FPS. Also labeled for handgun.

Amazed at the price being 1/3 cheaper than the US Vista owned ammo equivalent as this is a new specialty round with free shipping. vs: https://www.federalpremium.com/handg...-AE9SJPC1.html

Both direct from the manufacture's website?!?

Wait. No I'm not

[zincwarrior]

1,345 fps. Thats really fast.

[wild cat mccane]

Really fast in 124gr too. Thinking of the 1300fps Federal Classic in 115gr.

This probably not for MY handguns, but maybe somebody is interesting in theirs...using FMJ

[TunnelRat]

Originally Posted by zincwarrior

1,345 fps. Thats really fast.

There’s an asterisk next to that number for a reason. That’s measured from a 6” barrel IIRC. It’s explained on the box to be fair.


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[wild cat mccane]

There is no perfect measure to decreasing pressure/FPS based on backing down a barrel length vs advertised speed, is there? I imagine this is still hottish though as it seems 9mm does top out after a quick point.

You're right to point this out. The handgun label is also telling where not looking at a 357 load either

It is 100lbs heaver than the Federal PCC load which is likely out of a PCC barrel length too?

[74A95]

That speed is from a 17" barrel. It is, after all, intended for a PCC.

It clocked at just a little over 1,100 fps from my 5" pistol barrel.

[TunnelRat]

Right this is PCC ammo, sorry. The velocity for the regular ammo is from a 6” barrel.

https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/no...ocity.1886216/

Edit: although Norma's website says the data here is “zeroed with a 6" barrel”. If they use the same barrel length for zeroing as they do for velocity measures then maybe it is a 6” barrel.

https://www.norma-ammunition.com/en-...gr---299440050



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[zincwarrior]

OK. Thats better. That 1,300 number looked almost dangerous.

[rock185]

Interesting. Just for comparison, Winchester Q4318 124 NATO ball averages 1319 FPS in my 16" carbine. The IMI 124 NATO averages 1349 FPS in the same 16" barrel.

The Norma load is sure not wimpy. About 25% faster than standard pressure Federal 124 grain ball, that averages 1071 FPS in the same 16" PCC. May have to look into some of that Norma ammo myself...

[74A95]

Originally Posted by TunnelRat

Edit: although Norma's website says the velocity measure here isalso from a 6" barrel. Which would still be very fast.
https://www.norma-ammunition.com/en-...gr---299440050

No, that's not what it says. Read it again.

[TunnelRat]

Originally Posted by 74A95

No, that's not what it says. Read it again.

I know it says “product day is zeroed with”. There are essentially two measurements on that page about the bullet once fired; velocity, which in turn is used to calculate energy along with the barrel weight, and “wind”, which appears to be deflection at distance. It doesn’t make sense to me that they would report wind deflection with a 6” barrel but report velocities from a 17” barrel. And it’s not that the 6” is just a placeholder that never changes, because it does change to 5” on other 9mm products on that website.

It sounds like you own this ammunition. Since Norma details on the box what barrel length was used for the velocity measure, why don’t you take a picture of where it says this was from a 17” barrel and post it for us?


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[74A95]

Originally Posted by TunnelRat

I know it says “product day is zeroed with”. There are essentially two measurements on that page about the bullet once fired; velocity, which in turn is used to calculate energy along with the barrel weight, and “wind”, which appears to be deflection at distances. It doesn’t make sense to me that they would report wind deflection with a 6” barrel but report velocities from a 17” barrel. And it’s not that the 6” is just a placeholder that never changes, because it does change to 5” on other 9mm products on that website.

So you decided to just make up the 'chronographed from a 6" barrel'? Brilliant.

Originally Posted by TunnelRat

It sounds like you own this ammunition. Since Norma details on the box what barrel length was used for the velocity measure, why don’t you take a picture of that for us?

I shot all of mine.

Ask Norma what barrel length they used for that ammo.

And here's another source of information: https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2019/...on-ammunition/
Their 5" barrel speed is very close to what I got.

[TunnelRat]

Originally Posted by 74A95

So you decided to just make up the 'chronographed from a 6" barrel'? Brilliant.



I shot all of mine.

Ask Norma what barrel length they used for that ammo.

And here's another source of information: https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2019/...on-ammunition/
Their 5" barrel speed is very close to what I got.

I don’t consider reading “product data is zeroed with” and assuming it refers to all measurements on that page (as there is nothing that indicates otherwise) to be “making something up”, but if that’s how you want to read what I wrote by all means go ahead. Why on this particular thread I would decide to “make something up” about a manufacturer of ammunition I have no attachment to is beyond me, and then on top of that voluntarily explain how I got to that conclusion. What I’m trying to do is understand what is causing what I see as contradictory information.

Thank you for the link.


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[FairWarning]

Looks like great 9mm carbine ammo.