Florida Governor Rick Scott signs gun-safety bill into law, following Parkland School shooting.

smee78 · March 9, 2018, 04:43 PM

And this is how it starts.....

"March 9 (Reuters) - Florida Governor Rick Scott on Friday signed into law a bill from the legislature that raises the legal age for buying rifles, imposes a three-day waiting period on all gun sales and allows the arming of some school employees.

The Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Act is named after the school in Parkland, Florida, at which a gunman with a semiautomatic assault-style rifle killed 17 students and faculty on Feb. 14.

"Today should serve as an example to the entire country that government can and must move fast," Scott, a Republican, said in remarks before the signing, surrounded by survivors from the shooting and their families. He said the bill was a compromise balancing concerns of both gun-control and gun-rights advocates."

spacemanspiff · March 9, 2018, 04:56 PM

So the country is finally safe from lunatics between the ages of 18 and 20 who buy long guns from FFLs. Huzzah!

Bartholomew Roberts · March 9, 2018, 06:43 PM

Cowardly sellout.

Minorcan · March 9, 2018, 06:47 PM

I’m a 62 year old native Floridian. I used to love living in Florida. I had been out of state for 20 years with work and was very excited to move back I 2011 and live on the Intracoastal. I was soon disappointed. The state had been ruined by greed and uncontrolled growth It was also over legislated, so many laws, fees, taxes and rules life was miserable. I moved away to Georgia last August. This kind of legal non-sense and BS is why I moved. Sadly I’ll never move back to my childhood home. Alas ....

smee78 · March 9, 2018, 07:03 PM

The story even went on to say he was not supportive of the arming teachers portion but passed it anyway???

kymasabe · March 9, 2018, 07:27 PM

You all missed the part that broadens law enforcements power to seize weapons and outlaws bumpstocks.

Targa · March 9, 2018, 07:28 PM

That's the same road Colorado has gone down Minorcan. I am anxiously biding my time to get out of this state.

rickyrick · March 9, 2018, 07:32 PM

Yet still, everyone thinks gun control won’t happen...
Seems like the pace has picked up around the country.

agtman · March 9, 2018, 07:50 PM

Maybe a Floridian can clarify this, ... but apparently if you have a valid Fla. CCW permit, the new law's 3-day waiting-period provision doesn't apply to you (?).

BarryLee · March 9, 2018, 07:57 PM

The likelihood of unseating the incumbent US Senator with a pro Second Amendment candidate like Rick Scott seems pretty much like a moot point.

Bartholomew Roberts · March 9, 2018, 08:06 PM

In the big scheme of things, a milquetoasty sellout in the Senate is still better than the alternative; because it means pro-RKBA Senate leadership. He could even be an anti.

At the same time, when you reward behavior, you get more of it. Floridans face a tough choice in deciding what path is best for them.

mehavey · March 9, 2018, 08:22 PM

Quote:

...apparently if you have a valid Fla. CCW permit....

"The 3-day waiting period does shall not apply in the following circumstances:
(a) When a firearm handgun is being purchased by a holder of a concealed
weapons permit as defined in s. 790.06."
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/...s/0790.06.html
(apparently applies to both in-state and non-resident (FL) CCW licensees equally)

dos0711 · March 9, 2018, 10:12 PM

No grandfathering for the bump stocks which means any Floridian that has one is now an outlaw...

ed308 · March 9, 2018, 11:23 PM

As a former Floridian, the 3 day waiting didn't apply with the sale of a handgun if your have your CCW. But most dealers didn't know the law. Anybody's guess what happens now. Not surprise Scott signed bill into law. Florida has changed over the years. Now the challenges will begin.

JoeSixpack · March 9, 2018, 11:43 PM

Anyone have a link to the bill, Im sure I can go hunt it down just lazy.
Curious how they worded the bump stock provision.

The age increase is worse then it seems at first glance.. this could have a serious effect on 18-20 year olds that want a gun, any gun, for home defense, maybe they just got their first apartment.. living alone, what ever.

I see the NRA filed a lawsuit about the age increase, Im no fan of the NRA right now but I give them credit for taking action here.

Nothing they passed in that bill will make the situation any better.
Apparently the arming of teachers is optional from the blurb I heard on TV It might end up being one of those things where 90% of the schools do not take advantage of it..

And then there will be a shooting at one of those schools that ignored it.. and it won't even be a talking point.. anyone who says "Told ya so" for not arming teachers.. Will be shouted down as they push for another round of "fixes".

kymasabe · March 10, 2018, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by agtman

Maybe a Floridian can clarify this, ... but apparently if you have a valid Fla. CCW permit, the new law's 3-day waiting-period provision doesn't apply to you (?).

That is correct. Old law was no wait on long guns and 3 day wait on handguns. They basically extended the long gun wait to 3 to match handgun, and carry permit holders are still exempt from any waiting period.

kymasabe · March 10, 2018, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dos0711

No grandfathering for the bump stocks which means any Floridian that has one is now an outlaw...

I think they specified a future date, I think I read October? Giving bumpstock owners a grace period to remove and sell (or bury in the backyard in a sealed tube) their bumpstocks. No enforcement until then.

mehavey · March 10, 2018, 10:03 AM

Read here
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bil...llText/er/HTML

NOTES:
- No one under 21 (rifle purchase by police or servicemember exempted)
- 3-day wait (CCW, and hunter-safety course grads for long guns exempted)
- 132 hours training, a CCW, range testing, periodic weapon/storage inspection & a psych exam for teachers to carry (the process is a nightmare)
- Bump stocks(et al) prohibited under any conditions.

And a whole lotta other stuff.... I couldn't find anything about effective date.
Others take a look and tell me what I've missed/where I've erred.

.

JoeSixpack · March 10, 2018, 10:58 AM

Thanks for the link gonna try reading it later tonight, damn look at the size of the text!

The teacher training does sound pretty steep.. more then I would think would be necessary really, I wonder if the teachers are gonna get pay bonus for putting in that kinda time.. doubtful.

Is the state gonna pay for it? 132 hours of training can't be cheap.

I'll be very interested in the coming year(s) to see how the no grand father bump stock situation pans out.

"Man found with automatic bump stock assault rifle, New's @ 11"

T. O'Heir · March 10, 2018, 01:19 PM

The Bill was a compromise that pretty much does nothing. Just like any other legislation based solution.
Arming teachers is a colossally stupid idea too.
"...thinks gun control won’t happen..." It started in 1934 with FDR's NFA. The ATF was founded in 1968 and its unelected civil servants have been making law by regulation ever since. All those ATF required forms are defacto registration too.

Evan Thomas · March 10, 2018, 02:45 PM

Moved to Law and Civil Rights. The rules of that forum now apply to this discussion, so if you're not familiar with them, please read them.

Big Shrek · March 10, 2018, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spacemanspiff

So the country is finally safe from lunatics between the ages of 18 and 20 who buy long guns from FFLs. Huzzah!

Precisely. It's "Shut up the Liberals" for the most part.
Except for the benefit of arming teachers, that's something we've been trying to get in for DECADES.

Florida is a Concealed Only State, meaning you may not Open Carry except in Very Specific Circumstances.
However, they de-nutted the CC option by making it illegal for those Who Have A License,
to carry in school, even being a teacher/admin/worker...which is a clear violation of their 2A rights.

Scott knew there were pending lawsuits on this issue, so he threw a bone...
not one with much meat, as there are some severe restrictions on those teachers who wish to carry LEGALLY...
as SOME teachers I know have been carrying since Columbine, and they are NOT going to stop for any reason.
I would bet there are quite a few thousand I don't know about that are carrying as well.

Until we adopt the Israeli method of School Protection, our students will ALWAYS be at risk.
There it is, in black and white. The current US Methods FAIL on every level.
The schools don't have restricted entrances...multiple unprotected and unguarded entrances mean
that Anyone at Any time can enter a school at will and cause a massacre.
Most schools are protected solely by a Chain Link Fence. Nothing Else.
Most schools also have multiple portable buildings which add to the problem...
College campuses are the worst, multiple buildings spread out over a large area with ZERO protection
other than Campus Security...and quite frankly, few of them are ready to deal with a terrorist.

What has to be done is a Ground-Up reconstruction of every school in the USA...
which frankly, ain't gonna happen.
The only other real option to provide sufficient safety to students is SOLEY TO ARM TEACHERS...AS NOTHING ELSE WILL WORK.
We just saw 4 cops sit outside of a school where there was an active shooting and be total Cowards...
they all stayed OUTSIDE and failed to enter and engauge the shooter. 100% Cowardice.
Then the SWAT officers who DID go in just got SUSPENDED for going in without telling Admin their intentions.
Think about that or a little while...if you aren't peeved to the max, you should be.

So that means the ONLY thing that stands between KIDS and a terrorist, are the teachers.
Granted, some will only secure their room and fire only if the shooter enters...that's human.
But there are a few Vets and former Leo's and some ballsy Civilians who WILL do battle FOR YOUR KIDS
against those terrorist scumbags...and that's what is needed. An actual On The Spot Response...

Because Broward County just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that LEO'S MAY NOT SAVE ANY OF THEM...
That nice School Resource Officer may be a coward.
The next 3 guys who show up may be cowards too. Sure were in Broward.
And THAT is the cold hard truth of what can happen at a school shooting.
Those LEO's were COWARDS, and they have to live with that, they also gave a huge black eye
to the rest of the Nation's LEO's...tell me EVERYONE in the USA, isn't wondering what
their LEO's will do at the next school shooting??? Tell me that every LEO isn't measuring his next response...
because now even the Conservatives are looking at 'em and wondering "Will They?"

Teachers are also asking themselves if they will be able to hold the line.
Many are arming up, both legally and illegally. Been going on since Columbine.
They'd rather give their lives and career in trade for keeping their students alive.
And that's what EVERYONE wants, except the anti-gun liberals and those who can't see
past their own fears to actually protect students FOR REAL.

If one is against arming teachers, they are quite simply FOR Kids Dying with ZERO Protection...
which is what has been happening here in the USA since Columbine.
So learn from the Israeli's, who are surrounded by countries that want to kill them badly...
yet they haven't had a successful school shooting since 1977 because THEIR TEACHERS ARE ARMED...
and well-trained...and their schools are set up to be Defensive Havens for their Kids.
Check it out, learn how they protect their kids, and implement it HERE, NOW.

mehavey · March 10, 2018, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TO'Heir

Arming teachers is a colossally stupid idea too.

Have you bothered to read what is req'd to be one of those so armed ?

If not please go back to previous post and open up the law as written:
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bil...llText/er/HTML
In particular, read lines 331-390

Then specify your objections.

NateKirk · March 10, 2018, 04:25 PM

Quote:

The story even went on to say he was not supportive of the arming teachers portion but passed it anyway???

Compromise.

rickyrick · March 10, 2018, 04:44 PM

Why would arming teachers be any “stupider” than arming anyone else? If you can’t trust someone with a gun, you just can’t trust them.
Being trustworthy is a people thing and doesn’t depend on what object is in your possession.

Some people think arming civilians is stupid. So let’s just not let citizens have guns, that will fix it.

March 9, 2018, 04:43 PM	#1
smee78 Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2008 Location: South Carolina Posts: 2,918	Florida Governor Rick Scott signs gun-safety bill into law, following Parkland School shooting. And this is how it starts..... "March 9 (Reuters) - Florida Governor Rick Scott on Friday signed into law a bill from the legislature that raises the legal age for buying rifles, imposes a three-day waiting period on all gun sales and allows the arming of some school employees. The Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Act is named after the school in Parkland, Florida, at which a gunman with a semiautomatic assault-style rifle killed 17 students and faculty on Feb. 14. "Today should serve as an example to the entire country that government can and must move fast," Scott, a Republican, said in remarks before the signing, surrounded by survivors from the shooting and their families. He said the bill was a compromise balancing concerns of both gun-control and gun-rights advocates." __________________ We know exactly where one cow with Mad-cow-disease is located, among the millions and millions of cows in America, but we haven't got a clue where thousands of illegal immigrants and terrorists are

March 9, 2018, 04:56 PM	#2
spacemanspiff Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2002 Location: alaska Posts: 3,498	So the country is finally safe from lunatics between the ages of 18 and 20 who buy long guns from FFLs. Huzzah! __________________ "Every man alone is sincere; at the entrance of a second person hypocrisy begins." - Ralph Waldo Emerson "People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use." - Soren Kierkegaard

March 9, 2018, 07:03 PM	#5
smee78 Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2008 Location: South Carolina Posts: 2,918	The story even went on to say he was not supportive of the arming teachers portion but passed it anyway??? __________________ We know exactly where one cow with Mad-cow-disease is located, among the millions and millions of cows in America, but we haven't got a clue where thousands of illegal immigrants and terrorists are

March 9, 2018, 07:27 PM	#6
kymasabe Senior Member Join Date: June 10, 2005 Location: SW Florida Posts: 2,747	You all missed the part that broadens law enforcements power to seize weapons and outlaws bumpstocks. __________________ God's creatures big and small, eat them one, eat them all.

March 9, 2018, 07:57 PM	#10
BarryLee Senior Member Join Date: July 29, 2010 Location: The ATL (OTP) Posts: 3,946	The likelihood of unseating the incumbent US Senator with a pro Second Amendment candidate like Rick Scott seems pretty much like a moot point. __________________ A major source of objection to a free economy is precisely that it ... gives people what they want instead of what a particular group thinks they ought to want. Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

March 9, 2018, 06:43 PM	#3
Bartholomew Roberts member Join Date: June 12, 2000 Location: Texas and Oklahoma area Posts: 8,462	Cowardly sellout.

March 9, 2018, 06:47 PM	#4
Minorcan Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2015 Posts: 379	I’m a 62 year old native Floridian. I used to love living in Florida. I had been out of state for 20 years with work and was very excited to move back I 2011 and live on the Intracoastal. I was soon disappointed. The state had been ruined by greed and uncontrolled growth It was also over legislated, so many laws, fees, taxes and rules life was miserable. I moved away to Georgia last August. This kind of legal non-sense and BS is why I moved. Sadly I’ll never move back to my childhood home. Alas ....

March 9, 2018, 07:28 PM	#7
Targa Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2014 Posts: 2,084	That's the same road Colorado has gone down Minorcan. I am anxiously biding my time to get out of this state.

March 9, 2018, 07:32 PM	#8
rickyrick Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2010 Posts: 8,236	Yet still, everyone thinks gun control won’t happen... Seems like the pace has picked up around the country.

March 9, 2018, 07:50 PM	#9
agtman Junior member Join Date: July 26, 2001 Location: midwest Posts: 2,374	Maybe a Floridian can clarify this, ... but apparently if you have a valid Fla. CCW permit, the new law's 3-day waiting-period provision doesn't apply to you (?).

March 9, 2018, 08:06 PM	#11
Bartholomew Roberts member Join Date: June 12, 2000 Location: Texas and Oklahoma area Posts: 8,462	In the big scheme of things, a milquetoasty sellout in the Senate is still better than the alternative; because it means pro-RKBA Senate leadership. He could even be an anti. At the same time, when you reward behavior, you get more of it. Floridans face a tough choice in deciding what path is best for them.

March 9, 2018, 11:23 PM	#14
ed308 Senior Member Join Date: November 5, 2016 Location: DFW, TX Posts: 1,147	As a former Floridian, the 3 day waiting didn't apply with the sale of a handgun if your have your CCW. But most dealers didn't know the law. Anybody's guess what happens now. Not surprise Scott signed bill into law. Florida has changed over the years. Now the challenges will begin.

March 9, 2018, 11:43 PM	#15
JoeSixpack Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2017 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,048	Anyone have a link to the bill, Im sure I can go hunt it down just lazy. Curious how they worded the bump stock provision. The age increase is worse then it seems at first glance.. this could have a serious effect on 18-20 year olds that want a gun, any gun, for home defense, maybe they just got their first apartment.. living alone, what ever. I see the NRA filed a lawsuit about the age increase, Im no fan of the NRA right now but I give them credit for taking action here. Nothing they passed in that bill will make the situation any better. Apparently the arming of teachers is optional from the blurb I heard on TV It might end up being one of those things where 90% of the schools do not take advantage of it.. And then there will be a shooting at one of those schools that ignored it.. and it won't even be a talking point.. anyone who says "Told ya so" for not arming teachers.. Will be shouted down as they push for another round of "fixes". __________________ NRA sold us out This is America!, You have the right to be stupid.

March 10, 2018, 10:03 AM	#18
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,884	Read here https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bil...llText/er/HTML NOTES: - No one under 21 (rifle purchase by police or servicemember exempted) - 3-day wait (CCW, and hunter-safety course grads for long guns exempted) - 132 hours training, a CCW, range testing, periodic weapon/storage inspection & a psych exam for teachers to carry (the process is a nightmare) - Bump stocks(et al) prohibited under any conditions. And a whole lotta other stuff.... I couldn't find anything about effective date. Others take a look and tell me what I've missed/where I've erred. . Last edited by mehavey; March 10, 2018 at 10:10 AM.

March 10, 2018, 10:58 AM	#19
JoeSixpack Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2017 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,048	Thanks for the link gonna try reading it later tonight, damn look at the size of the text! The teacher training does sound pretty steep.. more then I would think would be necessary really, I wonder if the teachers are gonna get pay bonus for putting in that kinda time.. doubtful. Is the state gonna pay for it? 132 hours of training can't be cheap. I'll be very interested in the coming year(s) to see how the no grand father bump stock situation pans out. "Man found with automatic bump stock assault rifle, New's @ 11" __________________ NRA sold us out This is America!, You have the right to be stupid.

March 10, 2018, 01:19 PM	#20
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	The Bill was a compromise that pretty much does nothing. Just like any other legislation based solution. Arming teachers is a colossally stupid idea too. "...thinks gun control won’t happen..." It started in 1934 with FDR's NFA. The ATF was founded in 1968 and its unelected civil servants have been making law by regulation ever since. All those ATF required forms are defacto registration too. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

March 10, 2018, 02:45 PM	#21
Evan Thomas Senior Member Join Date: July 7, 2008 Location: Upper midwest Posts: 5,631	Moved to Law and Civil Rights. The rules of that forum now apply to this discussion, so if you're not familiar with them, please read them. __________________ Never let anything mechanical know you're in a hurry.

March 10, 2018, 04:44 PM	#25
rickyrick Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2010 Posts: 8,236	Why would arming teachers be any “stupider” than arming anyone else? If you can’t trust someone with a gun, you just can’t trust them. Being trustworthy is a people thing and doesn’t depend on what object is in your possession. Some people think arming civilians is stupid. So let’s just not let citizens have guns, that will fix it.