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J2. · October 17, 2008, 08:20 PM

I have a fairly old ??? Ordnance carbine, it belonged to my father. I cleaned it the best I could, even took the bolt apart. When fired it seems to catch every other casing on the way out. What should I look for next? And don't say a Gunsmith!

DnPRK · October 17, 2008, 08:47 PM

National Ordnance? They were made in the 1970s using cast commercial receivers and USGI parts.

Auto Ordnance? They are recent builds (within last 10 years) and are good quality.

When you say "catch every other casing on the way out", do you mean stovepipe jam? Where the empty case is caught between the bolt and receiver and looks like a stovepipe/chimney sticking out? If so, it could be an ejector problem (binding or weak spring) or it could be an ammo problem. What kind of ammo are you using?

M1911 · October 17, 2008, 08:49 PM

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And don't say a Gunsmith!

Why not? They're pretty good at fixing such things.

J2. · October 17, 2008, 10:01 PM

Yes, National Ordnance. Yes Stove pipe. New Remington ammo. Because I'm a sarcastic smart ars.

Some times it does not even pull the casing out!

Dfariswheel · October 17, 2008, 11:14 PM

The "usuals" on Carbine failures to extract are:

Rifle doesn't "like" the ammo.... Try different ammo. This is your FIRST step.

Bad extractor, spring/plunger.

Bad ejector or spring.

Dirty/pitted/corroded chamber.

Fouled gas system..... Check the gas piston for free movement in and out of "about" 1/4".
DON'T try to disassemble the gas piston and nut without the special tool.

Binding between the op rod and stock.

Mis-aligned barrel, or damaged barrel/op rod guide grooves and lugs.

T. O'Heir · October 17, 2008, 11:57 PM

"...Some times it does not even pull the casing out!..." That'd be the extractor/ejector. Most likely worn or excessively dirty. Start by giving the bolt a really good bath. Then look into replacing the extractor.
National Ordnance also built carbines out of imported parts, as I recall. Quality varied.

J2. · October 18, 2008, 05:48 AM

Thank you very much for the sound advise. I will fool with it some more.

October 17, 2008, 08:20 PM	#1
J2. Senior Member Join Date: June 12, 2008 Location: The Real America Posts: 149	M1? I have a fairly old ??? Ordnance carbine, it belonged to my father. I cleaned it the best I could, even took the bolt apart. When fired it seems to catch every other casing on the way out. What should I look for next? And don't say a Gunsmith! __________________ "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."

October 17, 2008, 10:01 PM	#4
J2. Senior Member Join Date: June 12, 2008 Location: The Real America Posts: 149	Yes, National Ordnance. Yes Stove pipe. New Remington ammo. Because I'm a sarcastic smart ars. Some times it does not even pull the casing out! __________________ "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."

October 17, 2008, 11:57 PM	#6
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	"...Some times it does not even pull the casing out!..." That'd be the extractor/ejector. Most likely worn or excessively dirty. Start by giving the bolt a really good bath. Then look into replacing the extractor. National Ordnance also built carbines out of imported parts, as I recall. Quality varied. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

October 18, 2008, 05:48 AM	#7
J2. Senior Member Join Date: June 12, 2008 Location: The Real America Posts: 149	Thank you very much for the sound advise. I will fool with it some more. __________________ "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."

October 17, 2008, 08:47 PM	#2
DnPRK Senior Member Join Date: August 24, 2001 Location: LC, Ca Posts: 1,917	National Ordnance? They were made in the 1970s using cast commercial receivers and USGI parts. Auto Ordnance? They are recent builds (within last 10 years) and are good quality. When you say "catch every other casing on the way out", do you mean stovepipe jam? Where the empty case is caught between the bolt and receiver and looks like a stovepipe/chimney sticking out? If so, it could be an ejector problem (binding or weak spring) or it could be an ammo problem. What kind of ammo are you using?

October 17, 2008, 11:14 PM	#5
Dfariswheel Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2001 Posts: 7,478	The "usuals" on Carbine failures to extract are: Rifle doesn't "like" the ammo.... Try different ammo. This is your FIRST step. Bad extractor, spring/plunger. Bad ejector or spring. Dirty/pitted/corroded chamber. Fouled gas system..... Check the gas piston for free movement in and out of "about" 1/4". DON'T try to disassemble the gas piston and nut without the special tool. Binding between the op rod and stock. Mis-aligned barrel, or damaged barrel/op rod guide grooves and lugs.