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Old November 30, 2008, 07:17 PM   #1
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Ruger 10 22 full auto conversion legalities

OK, before we get into a you cant do this or do that legally, all I need to know is can I convert my Ruger 10 22 to full auto and register it as a FA firearm with the BATF. I understand about the $200 and background checks, etc, etc, etc, but before I undertake this endeavor, I need to know if I can even do it.

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Old November 30, 2008, 08:45 PM   #2
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Nope, no new MG registrations after May 1986. Sorry! To get a full auto 10/22, expect to pay between $8,000 and $10,000.
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Old November 30, 2008, 09:04 PM   #3
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As stated, you can only buy a machinegun (in this case, a full auto 10/22) that was registered prior to May, 1986. After that date, no machineguns can be registered for civilian consumption.
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Old November 30, 2008, 10:36 PM   #4
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So then, if I were to register as a manufacturer of firearms, would I then be able to convert my 10 22?

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Old November 30, 2008, 11:07 PM   #5
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If you want to run a business

If you want to run a firearms manuf. business you could get your manuf. license and pay the yearly SOT fee to manuf. NFA weapons. Then you could make a full auto 10-22 to sell to other dealers or manuf or police departments.

You will never be able to keep it.

Your cheapest way to get a full auto 10-22 would be to buy 2 of them now at 10k$ each , and shoot one for the next 10yrs then sell one of them for $20k.
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Old November 30, 2008, 11:19 PM   #6
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10 22 legalities

I appreciate all the feedback so far, as I am under-educated about some of the more specifics of owning fully automatic firearms. Since my 10 22 was manufactured before the 1984 ban, would it still fall into the category of being unable to be converted to full auto? So, do the modifications, and register the gun as a pre-84 ban machine gun?

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Old December 1, 2008, 12:02 AM   #7
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Use a bit of common sense, if all semi auto guns made before 1986 ban could now be converted to full auto and registered, why would people be paying $10,000 for a machinegun, when they could just buy an old semi auto and convert it.
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Old December 1, 2008, 12:13 AM   #8
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Common sense is fine sometimes...

Well, I am just trying to get all my ducks in a row. So from what I can tell, the ONLY way I can possess NFA weapons would be to purchase a weapon that has been registered, pay the tax, get the background check, then after all is finished, go pick up the weapon.

Correct?

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Old December 1, 2008, 12:14 AM   #9
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For machineguns, yes. For other items you still have the option of getting a tax stamp and making your own.
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Old December 1, 2008, 03:12 AM   #10
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CLEO

You also must ask your local Chief Law Enforcement Officer for his signature on the forms, if they do not want NFA for you, then a whole new set of paperwork begins to go around the CLEO signoff.

Start by reading this.

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/wba...st/nfa_faq.txt

Then contact your local CLEO and ask if they will sign a form for you to build op buy whatever you decide upon.
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Old December 1, 2008, 10:46 AM   #11
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Information

I want to thank everyone who has taken the time to educate me on the more specifics of owning a NFA firearm, more specifically a machine gun. I have been reading thru the text of the FAQ ON NATIONAL FIREARMS ACT WEAPONS. I may still have some questions, because it seems like unless you are a lawyer you need one to understand some aspects of it.

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Old December 1, 2008, 11:17 AM   #12
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I know Ingunguy was sincere in his inquiries, but if it were anyone else I would think it was perhaps a reporter or some other individual trying to dig up a angle for a " Did you know" story,
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Old December 1, 2008, 01:05 PM   #13
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INgunguy, I assume by your username that you are an Indiana resident. If so, you might want to check out www.ingunowners.com Some very helpful local folks over there
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Old December 1, 2008, 04:20 PM   #14
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Indiana Gun Owner

Yes I am a resident of Indiana, and yes I am a legal gun owner. That is why I am attempting to get all specific information on owning NFA firearms.

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Old December 1, 2008, 07:54 PM   #15
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Sorry if I offended, I didn't mean to imply that you weren't a legal gun owner, I was simply suggesting that you might enjoy our little local forum...

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Old December 1, 2008, 08:33 PM   #16
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sounds like a mole to me
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Old December 1, 2008, 10:04 PM   #17
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NO offense taken at all! LOL. Just stating that I am. Anyway, I have been reading, and why cant I make a machine gun on Form 1, or is that only for supressors, SBR's and SBS's

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Old December 1, 2008, 11:05 PM   #18
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The Hughes Amendment to the 1986 FOPA added 922(o) to the USC... basically, no more new MGs for civilians, period - since it's after the date that law was signed, no more new MGs for civilians, so no more Form 1 MGs. The other classes of NFA items were unaffected, so you can still Form 1 those.
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Old December 2, 2008, 01:07 AM   #19
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And that ban was signed into law by our Favorite Republican of all Times Ronald Regan.
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Old December 2, 2008, 03:55 PM   #20
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And that ban was signed into law by our Favorite Republican of all Times Ronald Regan.
With the complete approval of the NRA. Reagan offered to veto it. NRA decided the benefits of the '86 FOPA outweighed losing new machineguns.
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Old December 2, 2008, 05:15 PM   #21
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New Machine Guns...

Well, as far as I can tell, unless you are a manufacturer of firearms, you cant build a new machine gun. My question is if being a manufacturer is all I have to do, then why cant I become a manufacturer and have a R&D department that must build machine guns for testing purposes? I may be splitting hairs, and I dont know what else to do other than to pay for an over-priced NFA machine gun.

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Old December 2, 2008, 06:06 PM   #22
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You can become a manufacturer, but you must go all the way. You must have a shop, applicable business licenses, tax numbers and you must engage in the business of manufacturing machineguns for sale. As you will be competing against H&K, Colt, S&W and a host of other manufacturers, the odds of you selling to Law Enforcement and/or the Federal Government (your only remaining clients) are pretty slim. IIRC, the SOT needed to manufacture machineguns is $1,000/year.

Lots of people have thought of this as a way to get around 922(o), including ATF. If they decide you are doing this for the reason of acquiring machineguns for your personal use, they will prosecute you for tax evasion, perjury, illegal possession of machineguns and anything else they can think of.

Either you pay the money for an existing machinegun or you do without.

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Old December 2, 2008, 08:32 PM   #23
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Well hopefully someday we can get The Hughes Amendment thrown out as unconstitutional since it is too restrictive. Anyway, I guess for now I need to save save save so I can get a legal machine gun.

Thanks for all the info!

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Old December 2, 2008, 08:38 PM   #24
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You can be

You can be a manuf. but you can't do it to make machineguns for yourself, you have to do it as a business. Lots of people do it but it's like being a Crack dealer, lots of money to be made unless you are addicted to your own product, then you will end up pennyless living in the gutter with a sign that says will work for ammo.

You can get a SWD M11 9mm SMG for around $3500 and be a lot happier in the long run.
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Old December 4, 2008, 11:42 AM   #25
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You can thank Charlie Wrangel for sneaking in the clause to close the registration for new mfgr machine guns in that bill. I read somewhere it was an 11th hour addition?
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