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June 11, 2019, 09:13 AM | #176 |
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Nanuk 'N' frames can hold 8 rounds that's why.
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June 11, 2019, 09:21 AM | #177 | |
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So is the .38 "fine"? No it is not. But neither is the .357 (or 10MM, .45, whatever) when we really start discussing what fine should be. |
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June 11, 2019, 09:51 AM | #178 |
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Some people like .357's, some people like .38's. Some people like .357's in large guns, some people like .357's in small guns... Do we really need to get into a peeing contest over it?
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June 11, 2019, 09:57 AM | #179 |
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Eight pages of silliness. You buy what you want, and the manufacturers make what you want. This ain't rocket science.
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Most of this thread is useless pontification anyways We are having a discussion for the sake of discussion. Has anyone changed their mind? |
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The 38 Special was woefully inadequate for LE purposes from the very beginning. Where it really started to manifest itself was in the 1960's as officers switched from 5" and 6" revolvers to 4" and shorter revolvers. The 357 magnum suffered not from this velocity deficiency. It was not until the 1970's that mass produced HP ammo was widely available. Departments that were using 38 Special +P ammo were generally having to get 5-6 hits on BG's to stop them. When compared to the 357 magnum they were requiring 1-2 hits to stop. There are outliers in every caliber. To determine if a self defense round is "fine" how does it rank in its ability to "stop" an attack? We need a definition; Quote:
I still use 38 Special for IDPA and practice, I may even get a lightweight J frame some day as a BUG. But I go into it with my eyes open and understand its limitations. Carry what you want, use what you want. Just do not try to tell me that the 38 Special is equal to the 357 magnum, its not even close. Quote:
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June 11, 2019, 11:34 AM | #185 |
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When issue ammo was the old "Police Widowmaker" 158 lead round nose yep not an effective round.
Now there are a plethora of effective 38SPL rounds. Follow up shots are truer. 125 357MAG may be 90% one shot stoppers, well that's because very few folks handle recoil for a 2nd shot. Not many folks have the genes like Jerry. |
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I'd actually agree with the idea that in the full size guns "why not" is not a bad statement. But if people are willing to buy .38 special only guns at a profitable price point it seems like a good reason to make them. |
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For the same reason that some folks buy their guns in .44 Special and not .44 Magnum.
Because the special does all they want in a gun. If they wanted a magnum, they would buy one. There is still a market for both buyers to choose from. The .44 special was almost lost when the magnum came out. Demand fell off sharply. That apparently hasn't happened with the .38 special. It looks like Kimber went with what you may be thinking; .357 only. Anyone guess how many more pages are left in this question? |
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My girlfriend carries a 38 special in her purse so yes it does serve a purpose. Might save her life!
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June 13, 2019, 06:29 PM | #193 |
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Any practical purpose for this thread is gone....
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If you want to listen a great discussion the use of snubbies:
https://www.facebook.com/38187940864...9541652882559/ Darryl is one of the respected experts and trainers in this area. Might add some worth to the thread.
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Thanks for the link, Glenn. It looks like fast forwarding about 30 minutes in gets to the start of the show.
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Shooting a 6 shot D/A revolver - properly - has become a lost art. Glad to see there are others that can appreciate the beauty of watching an X disappear on command & at any distance. The exact cadence I was taught for shooting D/A was/is: - one potato - two potato - three potato - four - five potato - six potato - Get (shift gun to left hand - place fingers on cylinder - release latch with right thumb & kick open cylinder) - Some (invert gun with muzzle to the sky - punch star extractor with left thumb) - MORE - reload & close cylinder. 5 shot, 7 shot, 8 shot, 10 shot (.22) - just mess with my head because the indexing is all wrong. |
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June 29, 2019, 06:52 AM | #199 |
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It’s key Nd of like this....you can get a 357 and shoot 38’s out of it. That comes at a cost. The guns are slightly bigger and heavier. 2 enemies of ccw. If I were never gonna carry 357, I would buy the 38.
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