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Old May 12, 2019, 12:02 PM   #101
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Well the main reason for having a 22 mag cylinder is to have the option of having a "bigger/harder/heavier wrench in the toolbox" at your disposal, remember ballistic wise a 22 mag out of hang gun equals a 22lr out of a rifle/carbine.
Not really. From what I have seen on chrono readings the 22 mag with a 40gr bullet will get around 1500+fps from a 5.5" barreled revolver. IIRC most 40gr 22lr will be around 1200-1300fps from a rifle.

Of course you can use lighter 22 bullets from the rifle and get higher velocities but you can do the same thing with lighter weight 22 mag bullets also.

Here is an article from American Rifleman and they show just over 1400fps from a 4.5" barreled gun with Winchester 40gr ammo. I like the heavier bullets myself. And I have found the CCI 22 mag to be behind Winchester and Fiocchi in velocity. The 22 mag really benifits from a longer barreled gun.

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Old May 12, 2019, 09:28 PM   #102
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From what I have read over the years most people hardly ever shoot 22 magnums out of their revolvers. This is definetly a non issue for me.
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Old May 12, 2019, 10:18 PM   #103
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From what I have read over the years most people hardly ever shoot 22 magnums out of their revolvers. This is definetly a non issue for me.
I guess I am not "most people" because i have shot hundreds of 22 mag from my single six guns. Not counting the Taurus model 94 22 mag I owned. I think its a great round. After I have shot 22 mag from any gun I almost can't go back to the soft shooting 22lr.
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Old May 12, 2019, 10:41 PM   #104
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I like shooting .22 Magnum, I just don't like paying for it. And it's not like it makes a bigger hole in the paper ...
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Old May 13, 2019, 12:02 PM   #105
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I just don't like paying for it.
I hear that. Fortunately Sportsmans Warehouse had a sale on Armscor solid and hollow point 40gr ammo for $5.65 a box a few years ago. I joined the super saver club to get the better price and free shipping and bought 4,000 rounds to add to the 1,500 I had on hand already.

Armscor loads the 22mag ammo sold by Fiocchi. Its just rebranded. I like the Armscor ammo. It shoots in the same group as the 40gr Winchester loads. As good as CCI is it shoots about 4" lower at 100 yards than the the other ammo with 40gr bullets. And I don't like the mushy Plated Bullets CCI uses. I like the real jacketed ammo from Winchester and Armscor.
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Old May 14, 2019, 10:21 PM   #106
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Picked one of these up the other day. Have tons of single actions, many of them Rugers, with my oldest Single Six being from 1958. The Wrangler is a really cool gun, feels solid, and shoots great. I think this is a winner.
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Old May 16, 2019, 07:29 AM   #107
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While 22mag is priced at the low end of the 357mag ammo, a non Taurus 357 range revolver is going to start at $500 for a blued GP100 and go up from there.

If someone wants to shoot something loud in a revolver at the range, the additional 22mag cylinder at 20 dollars more on any given RR22 model (gun.deals), that's a pretty fine price to get a few giggles from a loud boom.
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Old May 16, 2019, 04:58 PM   #108
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From the things I have seen on here, and elsewhere about the new budget Ruger it has earned top spot on my "alternative" to buy list. That's the guns that just happen to pop up at a good sale price when I have a couple extra Benjamins in my pocket, or a bunch of reward poinst at BPS/Cabela's.
Even though I have a couple Rough Riders I am completely happy with. Aren't rimfire pistols like potato chips anyway?
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Old May 16, 2019, 09:24 PM   #109
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I just saw today that CDNN is selling new Heritages for $109.99. If these revolvers get any cheaper, we might start finding them in Cracker Jack boxes!
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Old May 18, 2019, 01:17 AM   #110
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While 22mag is priced at the low end of the 357mag ammo, a non Taurus 357 range revolver is going to start at $500 for a blued GP100 and go up from there.

If someone wants to shoot something loud in a revolver at the range, the additional 22mag cylinder at 20 dollars more on any given RR22 model (gun.deals), that's a pretty fine price to get a few giggles from a loud boom.
Charter's are $400 for their 6 inch barrel revolvers and they're offering a $25 rebate for all their revolvers right now.
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Old May 18, 2019, 05:46 AM   #111
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I just saw today that CDNN is selling new Heritages for $109.99. If these revolvers get any cheaper, we might start finding them in Cracker Jack boxes!
Is that price for the 22lr only or does it come with both cylinders?
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Old May 18, 2019, 09:13 AM   #112
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I’ve seen the Heritage RR .22lr for $99.95 on Black Friday at our local Academy stores.
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Old May 18, 2019, 09:29 AM   #113
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A Ruger that will be had under $200, I'd go for that. I carried a Heritage on the trap line for years, until the hammer broke off and I tossed it into a quarry. Killed a bunch of critters with that.
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Old May 18, 2019, 03:38 PM   #114
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A Ruger that will be had under $200, I'd go for that. I carried a Heritage on the trap line for years, until the hammer broke off and I tossed it into a quarry. Killed a bunch of critters with that.
I am not a fan of the Heritage made guns but IIRC they have a good warranty. I would have at least gave them a chance to repair it. For what you and most use them for they are not terrible guns. At least the price is right.
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Old May 18, 2019, 04:01 PM   #115
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I just saw today that CDNN is selling new Heritages for $109.99. If these revolvers get any cheaper, we might start finding them in Cracker Jack boxes!

Is that price for the 22lr only or does it come with both cylinders?
Just the .22lr cylinder, silvermane.
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Old May 18, 2019, 07:14 PM   #116
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After reading more and more reviews and seeing the prices on a few different sites, I’ll most likely order one once they’re in stock. Waiting on the all black one. Just an FYI, SOSS has the silver model in stock.
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Old May 18, 2019, 07:20 PM   #117
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A Ruger that will be had under $200, I'd go for that. I carried a Heritage on the trap line for years, until the hammer broke off and I tossed it into a quarry. Killed a bunch of critters with that.
You could have called Heritage, sent the gun to them, and had it back in a couple weeks and sold it for $75.

What a throw away society we have.
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Old May 19, 2019, 04:58 AM   #118
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Just the .22lr cylinder, silvermane.
Ah, thanks for the info there dgludwig.
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Old May 22, 2019, 04:31 PM   #119
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Yeah, you guys didn't see that heritage. Think of a pistol kept in the slaughter house, never cleaned. This gun was the definition of beater. I never even oiled it because I didn't want oil around my traps. I did plug it up and tape it off and dip it in trap wax. It was only used to kill 'possums and skunks I might get in the traps. Fur got the thump stick.
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Old September 8, 2019, 09:21 PM   #120
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Any updated range reports or news on the Wrangler? Now that folks have more rounds down range, any issues or problems encountered?

I think I want one. My LGS doesn't have any and has a wait list, but Sportsman's had a black and a silver on the shelf. $199.99 and a 5% prior military discount to cover the sales tax. But I'm not in a big hurry and can wait for the LGS, plus I was hoping for some current and longer term reviews.

The gate seemed really stiff on the Wrangler compared to the Heritage RR, but that safety on the RR is a real no-go for me. I figured the gate can be worked on and will loosen over time, hopefully.
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Old September 9, 2019, 05:41 AM   #121
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I guess every gun maker has to have their own version of the 22 ZIP.
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Old September 14, 2019, 12:00 PM   #122
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I have a Heritage now, going on about 5 years. Still in very good shape, have not had any issues. I can buy 22.mag ammo for the same price that I can buy 9mm range ammo and delivered right to my front door with free shipping.
The Ruger is about double the cost. and limited to one size. If I do buy another 22.cal single action, it will be the Heritage and I get a lifetime warranty through Buds for just a very small cost.

Personally I find both of these guns as just plinkers. Fun shooting guns of a Sat afternoon. Do not need great sights, I enjoy shooting shooting tin cans with old Kentucky windage. I laugh at people trying to make these gun into fine target guns and boasting about some close group.

Ruger fans want to disparage the 22.mag cylinder availability for the Heritage. Well you never see them do this with the single six. Yes, shooting 22.mag can be fun. And a box of 50 rounds at 17 cents is not going to bust the bank. It is easy to put down the Magnum cylinder when the Ruger Wrangler just does not have one.

No I am not going to pay more for a Plinker that does nothing more than on costing Half as much. And if someone wants to spend more than that is fine me. Just have fun with them and enjoy them for what they are.

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Old September 14, 2019, 02:10 PM   #123
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Do not need great sights, I enjoy shooting shooting tin cans with old Kentucky windage.
I don't need fine target sights either ... but ... the gun should shoot to POA and shoot a decent group (not a shotgun pattern). I don't like to rely on 'luck' to hit what I aim at. If that means tapping the front sight, turning the barrel, filing the front sight down, filing the rear sight edges, then that is what gets done.

I've put plenty of LR rounds through my RR. I have no practical use for the Magnum cylinder. Even broke the pawl spring which I replaced once. That said, I much do prefer the Single Six over the RR revolver. I don't have a Wrangler and not not planning on getting one at this time. I think it is a much more reliable design than the RR and doesn't have the ugly safety. That said, I don't like the coating on the Wrangler. I am partial to blued revolvers. Anyway, we all have our preferences... Mine runs to the Single Six line of Single Actions. I'd sure like to see a case colored .22LR Vaquero (on small frame) with 5 1/2" barrel ... Pick one up in a heartbeat if I found one .
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Old September 14, 2019, 03:00 PM   #124
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Mine shoots just fine. No problem with the Mag cylinder. Do not rely on luck. The safety is absolutey no issue. I do not use it for carry. Both are just plinkers. I will put my money into my carry guns, ammo etc.
If I was BIG into shooting these guns I would invest in a Single Six and forget both of these plinkers.
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Old September 14, 2019, 04:28 PM   #125
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Sorry if you thought I implied that 'your' gun wasn't accurate. Wasn't my intention. Just trying to say in general, a gun should first be accurate and then shoot to POA. No Kentucky windage necessary. . FWIW, I never put any money into my RR either, But did in my Single-Six, Shooting .22LR is a very good way to practice... as long as it shoots straight! BTW, I did have a .22 SA clone that did spray a pattern... May hit a paper plate somewhere at 25 yards... Luck was needed to keep 'em all on the plate . Parted that gun out.


I just don't like how the RR safety looks. On one of my Uberti's, they made the cylinder pin with two notches. One notch is a safety. So the safety isn't 'noticeable' at a glance unlike the RR safety which sticks out like sore thumb. Just an observation .
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