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Old December 5, 2020, 06:37 PM   #76
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Proactive would be the efforts which start well ahead of the worst case scenario. At least in my view anyway.
I agree entirely. I really don't see that anyone has stated that they disagree with that philosophy on this thread.
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I have seen people suggest that exterior defenses can be defeated and that determined attackers may be able to get passed those (and we can argue the likelihood of that).
Correct.

As far as likelihood goes, there are different schools of thought.

If the odds of an occurrence are all that matters, then nobody would ever buy lottery tickets. But they do. Not because they believe that they have a good chance of winning, but rather because they are swayed by the size of the potential windfall. These folks would say--yes, I know my odds of winning are very small, and I know I probably won't win, but someone wins almost every time they have a drawing. And winning would be a life-changing experience!

I think the same thing applies to this topic, but in reverse. I fully expect that I will never be faced with a home invasion. I think there is a very good chance I will live my entire life and never be the victim of a violent crime given my lifestyle, the areas I frequent and the precautions I take.

So why do I bother to carry a gun? It's not because of the odds, it's because of the stakes. In the very unlikely event I were to be faced with the prospect of needing a gun, the ramifications of not having one could be unthinkable. Like the opposite of a lottery jackpot. Instead of becoming an instant millionaire, I could lose everything in an instant and potentially in ways that do not even bear thinking about. So, I prepare--because being prepared is better than not being prepared.

Do I do absolutely everything I can to make my house more secure? No, of course not. I don't have bars on the windows, I don't have a large dog. I don't currently have cameras integrated into my security system. I don't pay anyone to patrol the premises.

Reality means that people have to prioritize the level of expense and effort they put into securing their house and, undoubtedly, if you pick any two people, even in similar circumstances, they will have different approaches to establishing their priorities.

Which one is right? Well, of course, the one who has a priority list most similar to mine! The other one is obviously crazy for living "that way".
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Old December 6, 2020, 01:07 PM   #77
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Old December 6, 2020, 03:38 PM   #78
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It's not because of the odds, it's because of the stakes.
I am going to steal those two paragraphs and use them any and every time someone asks me why I carry. I'll try to remember to give you credit.
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Old December 7, 2020, 06:13 PM   #79
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If as a parent if you had an adult child who ALWAYS carried a razor sharp dirk or dagger on their person to "defend themselves" would you tend to get a little worried about that individual? I mean, assuming they don't live in Mozambique or similar?
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Old December 7, 2020, 07:39 PM   #80
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If as a parent if you had an adult child who ALWAYS carried a razor sharp dirk or dagger on their person to "defend themselves" would you tend to get a little worried about that individual? I mean, assuming they don't live in Mozambique or similar?
Usually these discussions devolve into casting aspersions on the character and morals of others, and now this one has as well. I posted earlier on my reasons - secure control of a loaded firearm, immediate access in time of need, & I don’t know the future and bad things happen in good neighborhoods.

If someone wants to guarantee my safety and well being in writing by binding contract and assume the associated financial burdens, I’ll be glad to accept that person’s guidance and judgment. Until then, you don’t know anything about me or my circumstances so your opinion and advice is worth every penny I’ve paid for it.
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Old December 7, 2020, 07:46 PM   #81
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I only asked a question. No offense intended. Not sure what to make out of your response other than to say you appear very sensitive as to your choice to pack at home. Would you like a back rub? Hey, do your kids carry?
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I’ve been hit by lightning. Odds are so remote as that it ALMOST never happens. So.... carrying at home is, like wearing your seat belt, a good idea.

Getting hit by lightning is not fun either. Ben Franklin’s lightning rod saved me but it still went thru me.
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Old December 7, 2020, 08:54 PM   #83
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If as a parent if you had an adult child who ALWAYS carried a razor sharp dirk or dagger on their person to "defend themselves" would you tend to get a little worried about that individual? I mean, assuming they don't live in Mozambique or similar?
Given they are my ADULT child I'd feel it was their business.
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When I step outside the house, I'm among the critters. Gentle woodland creatures (term borrowed from Bullwinkle) like deer eat the grass around the house. There's a fox that is hunting for my barncat. Bears should be hibernating but kitty cat (mtn lion) doesn't. It stalked w/12 feet of a neighbor once before the neigbor turned around and saw it.
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Old December 8, 2020, 03:22 AM   #85
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If as a parent if you had an adult child who ALWAYS carried a razor sharp dirk or dagger on their person to "defend themselves" would you tend to get a little worried about that individual? I mean, assuming they don't live in Mozambique or similar?
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I only asked a question. No offense intended. Not sure what to make out of your response other than to say you appear very sensitive as to your choice to pack at home. Would you like a back rub? Hey, do your kids carry?
Archetypal posting behavior for this topic.
Don't you think that kind of behavior is worrisome and justifies concern about persons that engage in it? --- What? I'm just asking a question. Calm down--don't be so sensitive.

I would never do that. I won't. If people choose to do that, it's probably because they are not thinking properly. You need to think this through and ask yourself why you are doing what you are doing. --- Wait--why are you so defensive?
For what it's worth, I'm not saying that it's wrong or reprehensible when people believe it's unusual or odd or worrisome or concerning behavior, but it doesn't make sense to me when people voice opinions which are obviously negative characterizations and then seem to be taken aback at the predictable reactions.

I think that the real issue is that unless the goal is to try to drive everyone to conformity or to quell dissension, that it makes sense to go into the discussion with the idea of finding out why different people take different approaches and considering the reasons and rationale behind such decisions.

In the same way, providing one's own reasons and rationale for carrying/not carrying at home seems a lot more productive than making implications about those who don't carry/do carry.

I mean, we can all learn from different opinions--but that is much easier when there's an exchange of ideas an opinions as opposed to when things start out with negative characterizations of those who disagree.
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Old December 8, 2020, 06:51 AM   #86
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"You need to think this through and ask yourself why you are doing what you are doing. --- Wait--why are you so defensive?" (JohnKsa)

Good sound advice for multiple applications in life, not just for communication on this forum, but on the job, relationships, etc.
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Old December 8, 2020, 12:53 PM   #87
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Hello Gentlemen,
Um, aside from all the technicalities with every one's moral controversies on this thread, I'd like to get back to the concept of assistive protection aka carrying a firearm in one's home and or around one's home/neighborhood.

I am thinking of getting a glock, preferably a glock 42 because I like what I read about it. Though, I'm not very experienced with the types of guns out there, I bought a glock slider to build and practice shooting with before continuing my escapades in the gun industry.

I found a nice one at Boogalooguns.com and am looking for a frame that will compliment it but I haven't had much luck. Does anyone know where I can get one?

And for the record, I like small guns for concealment when in closed quarters and I believe, being a woman, that it will help catch someone off guard if I need to defend my home/myself/etc.
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Labeling other participants in a discussion as trolls is a continuation of the same sort of counter-productive behavior John KSa posted about above. If you think someone us a troll, do not engage -- use the "Report post" icon.

Once again, this thread began with a simple question: "Do you carry at home?" All that is required is a simple, one-word response -- "Yes," or "No." However, people seem to want to discuss more than the basic question, and delve into not just whether or not people carry at home, but also why. Okay, we allow that. However, it makes no sense to seek out a discussion on why other people do or don't do [_____] and then attack anyone whose opinion differs from your own. We are all individuals. Each of us has his or her own, unique life history that shapes our opinions and our approaches to life. Each of us has his or her own unique level of risk analysis and willingness to accept risk.

We need to respect that. If you can't, we'll have to close this discussion.

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Old December 8, 2020, 04:34 PM   #89
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Labeling other participants in a discussion as trolls is a continuation of the same sort on counter-productive behavior John KSa posted about above. If you think someone us a troll, do not engage -- use the "Report post" icon.

Once again, this thread began with a simple question: "Do you carry at home?" All that is required is a simple, one-word response -- "Yes," or "No." However, people seem to want to discuss more than the basic question, and delve into not just whether or not people carry at home, but also why. Okay, we allow that. However, it makes no sense to seek out a discussion on why other people do or don't do [_____] and then attack anyone whose opinion differs from your own. We are all individuals. Each of us has his or her own, unique life history that shapes our opinions and our approaches to life. Each of us has his or her own unique level of risk analysis and willingness to accept risk.

We need to respect that. If you can't, we'll have to close this discussion.

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it would make for a pretty boring discussion if we simply limited our comments to a simple yes or no. Qualifying ones decisions and opinions is the hallmark of a good discussion forum. That is so long as that qualification falls reasonably within the context of the subject matter. Yes and No is hardly fruitful discussion parameters(at least in my humble opinion). If a person seeks such a limited discussion, post a poll.
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I don't carry at home. I'm at the end of a significant one way in one way out private lane, I've got a pack of dogs. I'll know anyone is here before they know where they are. House and outside are well lit. Doors get locked. There are shotguns scattered about. Prefer a long gun for any purpose that might involve any kind of real need.

YMMV but that's my program.
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If as a parent if you had an adult child who ALWAYS carried a razor sharp dirk or dagger on their person to "defend themselves" would you tend to get a little worried about that individual? I mean, assuming they don't live in Mozambique or similar?
I gifted my 18yo daughter one of my Ka-Bars when she started college. It's not quite razor sharp, but it's sharp enough. It's not a dagger, but it's closer to a dagger than to a pocket knife.

She was thrilled to get it, but chose to carry her ASP baton (which I also bought her) for daily protection. I think she chose wisely, but had she chosen the Ka-Bar, I wouldn't have objected.
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However, people seem to want to discuss more than the basic question
it would make for a pretty boring discussion if we simply limited our comments to a simple yes or no. Qualifying ones decisions and opinions is the hallmark of a good discussion forum. That is so long as that qualification falls reasonably within the context of the subject matter. Yes and No is hardly fruitful discussion parameters(at least in my humble opinion). If a person seeks such a limited discussion, post a poll.
Not everyone knows how to post a poll.

Conversely, if the original poster wants a discussion rather than a simple answer, he/she can so state in the original post, such as:

"Do you prefer 'a' or 'b'? Please explain why."

Personally, I default to thinking people are adult enough to ask the question they want answered. If the question is "Do you prefer 'a' or 'b'?" then IMHO the only appropriate answer is "a" or "b". The question does not invite discussion.

I understand that's not how some folks roll, and that's why this thread was left open. However, once people start attacking those whose opinions differ from their own, it's time to call a halt.

The OP has consented to closing this discussion so ... closed.
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