Ar

Joh · August 24, 2021, 01:26 PM

A man I know has a ar 223 for sale. He is asking 400.00 for it. In very good condition. Is that a good price? Smith and Wesson

Hawg · August 24, 2021, 02:20 PM

A very good price. They're running over 700 new. There are two versions. The original sport that doesn't have a dust cover or a forward assist and the sport II which has both but either is worth the money.

Shadow9mm · August 24, 2021, 04:20 PM

good price, if your wanting an AR, get it

kymasabe · August 24, 2021, 06:30 PM

For $400, I'd jump right on it.

Super Sneaky Steve · August 24, 2021, 07:10 PM

I would want to know if it's chambered for 223 Wylde, 223 Remington or 5.56x45.

I would also like to know what features it has such as buttstock, grip, handguard, gas block, muzzle device, sights and twist.

Ask him about round count too.

If you can handle it take out the BCG and extend the bolt, stand it on end and see if it holds. Then push the bolt in and hold it by the bolt and see if it slides down. If it doesn't move the seals are still good. If it does then look for replacement parts.

Shadow9mm · August 24, 2021, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Super Sneaky Steve

I would want to know if it's chambered for 223 Wylde, 223 Remington or 5.56x45.

I would also like to know what features it has such as buttstock, grip, handguard, gas block, muzzle device, sights and twist.

Ask him about round count too.

If you can handle it take out the BCG and extend the bolt, stand it on end and see if it holds. Then push the bolt in and hold it by the bolt and see if it slides down. If it doesn't move the seals are still good. If it does then look for replacement parts.

Honestly at $400 I would not care. He said s&w so probably a sport chambered 5.56. Good gun for the money. Gas seals are a cheap easy replacement, $10 tops. Nothing to haggle over

Hawg · August 24, 2021, 09:34 PM

I paid 800.00 for mine new about 6 months ago. I did get a soft case, 5 Magpul Pmags and 100 rounds of Norma ammo with it tho. I didn't do anything to it but add a red dot and a sling.

doofus47 · August 24, 2021, 10:20 PM

If you go the steel-cased route, you might also consider buying extra strength hammer springs. And/or an extended length firing pin. Deep and wide feed ramps are also good.

**44 AMP** · August 24, 2021, 11:00 PM

right now it seems the steel cased .223 is going to be irrelevant in the near future, probably for some time...

Hawg · August 25, 2021, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by doofus47

If you go the steel-cased route, you might also consider buying extra strength hammer springs. And/or an extended length firing pin. Deep and wide feed ramps are also good.

Mine runs steel fine as it is.

kymasabe · August 25, 2021, 05:26 AM

I'm with 44AMP on this one.
You can forget about steel cased ammo for a while. If you don't have some already, you likely won't be seeing it again anytime soon, at least not imported from Russia.

HiBC · August 25, 2021, 12:50 PM

The value is there. Its a good buy.

I'd consider what it is you are looking for. If that configuration suits you, go for it.

If you are considering reconfiguring it to something it is not,such as a free float,railed forend SPR , I'd suggest holding off and buying one configured the way you like.

Spare yourself "The devil in the details"

Super Sneaky Steve · August 25, 2021, 04:04 PM

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Honestly at $400 I would not care. He said s&w so probably a sport chambered 5.56. Good gun for the money. Gas seals are a cheap easy replacement, $10 tops. Nothing to haggle over

I'm sure it's still a good deal, but I would still want to know the details.

It's jut hard to say if it's good or not without knowing anything about it. Some guns I see on gunbroker are beat up garbage.

JustJake · August 25, 2021, 05:57 PM

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A man I know has a ar 223 for sale. He is asking 400.00 for it. In very good condition. Is that a good price? Smith and Wesson.

$400 smackers says: "this here AR I'm sellin' has issues." Smart cookies don't buy ARs with issues. Plus, it's a S&W, not a Colt, LMT, or other Top Tier 5.5.6 AR maker. So there's that ....

Tell the seller guy: "Look dude, for $400 I get to run 500-rds of ammo thru it first to 'test' it. If there's no functional issues, we've got a deal. But if it hiccups or malfs, no deal."

If the seller guy balks, be prepared to walk, which is what smart-n-savvy cookies do in AR-Landia.

You can thank me later.

jmr40 · August 25, 2021, 06:25 PM

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Look dude, for $400 I get to run 500-rds of ammo thru it first to 'test

At todays prices that makes it a $750 gun. Just buy it. If it has issues sell it or fix it. AR's are pretty modular, any defective parts can easily be replaced

Hawg · August 25, 2021, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jmr40

At todays prices that makes it a $750 gun. Just buy it. If it has issues sell it or fix it. AR's are pretty modular, any defective parts can easily be replaced

This^^^^. I very seriously doubt it has issues. S&W AR's may not be top tier but they're really good guns.

kymasabe · August 26, 2021, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawg

This^^^^. I very seriously doubt it has issues. S&W AR's may not be top tier but they're really good guns.

..what Hawg said.
I've never even heard of a problem with S&W ARs unless previous owner started monkeying around with it. If still stock, should be a fine gun after a thorough cleaning. And if for any reason there IS a problem, there are enough parts out there and enough collective knowledge here to get it straightened out.
Alternative: For $450 plus FFL fees you can buy a brand new PSA complete upper and lower and pin them together.

Joh · August 26, 2021, 09:36 AM

Well I'll get the gun Friday well see how it turns out.

JustJake · August 26, 2021, 08:54 PM

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good price, if your wanting an AR, get it

Ah yeah, no ...

Super Sneaky Steve · August 26, 2021, 09:41 PM

I'm surprised how great the appraisers are on this site. Without knowing a thing about it or even having a picture everyone knows how much it's worth.

HiBC · August 26, 2021, 10:32 PM

I'd be interested in hearing specific details about what the smart and savvy AR cookie has to say about the alleged shortcomings of a S+W AR.

I'm talking verifiable shortcomings in metallurgy,heat treat,anodizing ,measured and verified dimensional problems,etc.

I understand up front some models might be offered without forward assist or dust covers. IMO,thats a burger king option. Hold the pickle. I don't want a pickle. Just want to ride on my motorcycle.

Seriously,those features are debateable. I prefer to have them,but you can see them before you buy. Its not hidden.

Without specifics,I suspect the "defects" might be largely hooey.

kymasabe · August 27, 2021, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Super Sneaky Steve

I'm surprised how great the appraisers are on this site. Without knowing a thing about it or even having a picture everyone knows how much it's worth.

I'm admittedly a bit of a risk taker. Sure, I'd look the gun over, but if it looked decent, I'd roll the dice and risk $400. If it turned out bad, I'd strip the receivers and start over, lick my wounds and move on.
Is why I also mentioned that a brand new PSA for $450 is another option.

GarandTd · August 27, 2021, 07:10 AM

Before Covid, these could be had for $500 new if you found a sale. I don't find the the $400 price tag to be a red flag, necessarily. Sounds like a good deal, but regardless of price, I'd want to see it first before buying.

Hawg · August 27, 2021, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JustJake

Ah yeah, no ...

Why is it not?

Screwball · August 27, 2021, 08:12 AM

If it is the original Sport (no forward assist or dust cover), it likely has that 1:8”, 5R barrel. Those are nice.

And for the comment about 500 rounds… you likely can figure if there is anything wrong with it in 90. And if it is an unmolested S&W, any issues will be squared away with a trip to the factory. ARs are not a hard gun to work on… so it would be easier for them to deal with than a revolver.

OP, hopefully it is a good buy for you. Let us know.

August 24, 2021, 01:26 PM	#1
Joh Member Join Date: July 29, 2021 Posts: 38	Ar A man I know has a ar 223 for sale. He is asking 400.00 for it. In very good condition. Is that a good price? Smith and Wesson Last edited by Joh; August 24, 2021 at 01:45 PM.

August 24, 2021, 04:20 PM	#3
Shadow9mm Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2012 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 3,974	good price, if your wanting an AR, get it __________________ I don't believe in "range fodder" that is why I reload.

August 24, 2021, 06:30 PM	#4
kymasabe Senior Member Join Date: June 10, 2005 Location: SW Florida Posts: 2,747	For $400, I'd jump right on it. __________________ God's creatures big and small, eat them one, eat them all.

August 24, 2021, 10:20 PM	#8
doofus47 Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2010 Location: live in a in a house when i'm not in a tent Posts: 2,483	If you go the steel-cased route, you might also consider buying extra strength hammer springs. And/or an extended length firing pin. Deep and wide feed ramps are also good. __________________ I'm right about the metric system 3/4 of the time.

August 24, 2021, 11:00 PM	#9
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,833	right now it seems the steel cased .223 is going to be irrelevant in the near future, probably for some time... __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

August 24, 2021, 02:20 PM	#2
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	A very good price. They're running over 700 new. There are two versions. The original sport that doesn't have a dust cover or a forward assist and the sport II which has both but either is worth the money.

August 24, 2021, 07:10 PM	#5
Super Sneaky Steve Senior Member Join Date: August 9, 2011 Posts: 1,250	I would want to know if it's chambered for 223 Wylde, 223 Remington or 5.56x45. I would also like to know what features it has such as buttstock, grip, handguard, gas block, muzzle device, sights and twist. Ask him about round count too. If you can handle it take out the BCG and extend the bolt, stand it on end and see if it holds. Then push the bolt in and hold it by the bolt and see if it slides down. If it doesn't move the seals are still good. If it does then look for replacement parts.

August 24, 2021, 09:34 PM	#7
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	I paid 800.00 for mine new about 6 months ago. I did get a soft case, 5 Magpul Pmags and 100 rounds of Norma ammo with it tho. I didn't do anything to it but add a red dot and a sling.

August 25, 2021, 05:26 AM	#11
kymasabe Senior Member Join Date: June 10, 2005 Location: SW Florida Posts: 2,747	I'm with 44AMP on this one. You can forget about steel cased ammo for a while. If you don't have some already, you likely won't be seeing it again anytime soon, at least not imported from Russia. __________________ God's creatures big and small, eat them one, eat them all.

August 25, 2021, 12:50 PM	#12
HiBC Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 2006 Posts: 8,286	The value is there. Its a good buy. I'd consider what it is you are looking for. If that configuration suits you, go for it. If you are considering reconfiguring it to something it is not,such as a free float,railed forend SPR , I'd suggest holding off and buying one configured the way you like. Spare yourself "The devil in the details"

August 26, 2021, 09:36 AM	#18
Joh Member Join Date: July 29, 2021 Posts: 38	Well I'll get the gun Friday well see how it turns out.

August 26, 2021, 09:41 PM	#20
Super Sneaky Steve Senior Member Join Date: August 9, 2011 Posts: 1,250	I'm surprised how great the appraisers are on this site. Without knowing a thing about it or even having a picture everyone knows how much it's worth.

August 26, 2021, 10:32 PM	#21
HiBC Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 2006 Posts: 8,286	I'd be interested in hearing specific details about what the smart and savvy AR cookie has to say about the alleged shortcomings of a S+W AR. I'm talking verifiable shortcomings in metallurgy,heat treat,anodizing ,measured and verified dimensional problems,etc. I understand up front some models might be offered without forward assist or dust covers. IMO,thats a burger king option. Hold the pickle. I don't want a pickle. Just want to ride on my motorcycle. Seriously,those features are debateable. I prefer to have them,but you can see them before you buy. Its not hidden. Without specifics,I suspect the "defects" might be largely hooey.

August 27, 2021, 07:10 AM	#23
GarandTd Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2016 Location: Rural PA Posts: 1,639	Before Covid, these could be had for $500 new if you found a sale. I don't find the the $400 price tag to be a red flag, necessarily. Sounds like a good deal, but regardless of price, I'd want to see it first before buying. __________________ 22lr, 20 gauge, 8mm Mauser, 35 Remington, 30-06, 5.56x45/223, 9mm, 380acp

August 27, 2021, 08:12 AM	#25
Screwball Senior Member Join Date: May 16, 2012 Location: ME Posts: 771	If it is the original Sport (no forward assist or dust cover), it likely has that 1:8”, 5R barrel. Those are nice. And for the comment about 500 rounds… you likely can figure if there is anything wrong with it in 90. And if it is an unmolested S&W, any issues will be squared away with a trip to the factory. ARs are not a hard gun to work on… so it would be easier for them to deal with than a revolver. OP, hopefully it is a good buy for you. Let us know.