Handgun status when need for defensive shot might be imminent - Page 3

TunnelRat · February 9, 2020, 11:27 AM

That’s great, I anxiously await. I think at this point you’re completely missing the forest for the trees with regards to my post, that being that “exists as a mode” did not invalidate the points in my post. I also fail to see where what I stated “stands in the face of common beliefs”.

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TunnelRat · February 9, 2020, 11:34 AM

So that’s not a “history book” though. So the level of proof is an internet search resulting in a blog? Okay. Now that I know what is the definition of “is written” I will apply that going forward.

Again to me “is written” is markedly more proof than “it is heard/told”. When someone asks for that I assume they want a primary source. When someone says they know something is written in a “history book”, that to me means they know of a specific history book where it is written. Not that they can do a Google search and get results. If these definitions aren’t your own that’s fine, but seeing as they relate to this discussion we’re having they are what I work under.

If your point is you want legitimacy in discussion, so do I. My point is the definition of legitimacy isn’t the same from one person to another. I also think that larger talking points aren’t completely derailed by certain phrasing if that phrasing isn’t the main point of discussion.

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FireForged · February 9, 2020, 11:48 AM

I already said.. "any corroboration which is more substantial than thin air".

If you want to call me wrong for suggesting that the creation of the DA mechanism was about rate of fire and NOT about safety.. you can but I suspect you will be in the minority if you do.

The article that I referenced is certainly not a "history book" but it is certainly more than an opinion piece. Still, I will be glad to read whatever you produce in support of your previous statement regarding the reason DA exists

TunnelRat · February 9, 2020, 11:51 AM

Then there we have it. Your definitions differ from mine. Fair enough.

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TunnelRat · February 9, 2020, 11:56 AM

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If you want to call me wrong for suggesting that the creation of the DA mechanism was about rate of fire and NOT about safety.. you can but I suspect you will be in the minority if you do.

I don't because I already said I agreed in post #41. The issue wasn't with the claim, the issue was what you wanted when you said "is written". We have that finalized I'd like to think.

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Still, I will be glad to read whatever you produce in support of your previous statement regarding the reason DA exists

I already went back and clarified what I meant by that, which we both acknowledged. I also stand by my assertion, for the third time, that the use of "exists as a mode" didn't invalidate my point.

FireForged · February 9, 2020, 11:58 AM

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DA/SA exists as a mode (in semi auto pistols) for a reason, with the first shot being heavier to help mitigate the risk of a ND...

I don't think this is a definition. I was not talking about definitions

TunnelRat · February 9, 2020, 11:59 AM

Definitions of "what is written". You edited the post, which was originally just the first line, and meant I didn't need the clarifier. With the edits it needs the clarifier.

FireForged · February 9, 2020, 12:02 PM

Tunnel, you are way too smart for me. I have great difficulty following and understanding the points you make. This may not be your fault and could simply be a result of language nuances. I stand by what I said but at this point I am unable to construct anything productive from a continued back and forth. Thank you for your comments but I suspect that you may be pulling my leg. If so, you got me ( I fell for it)

If you come up with ANY information which supports your earlier proclamation, I would be glad to read it. If not, I consider the matter closed due to impasse.

TunnelRat · February 9, 2020, 12:06 PM

I don't think I am particularly smart. I think we're both editing comments faster than people can keep track (at least myself).

I made a statement about what I saw as the use of DA/SA. It was phrased in a way that made it appear I was stating that DA/SA was designed solely for that purpose. You questioned that, asked me for where it was written. I clarified that I should have stated usage and not design. I then asked you what you meant by "is written". You eventually did and I stated that your definition isn't the same as mine. I've also stated multiple times that I don't think my phrasing of a few words in that one post completely invalidates that entire post.

FireForged · February 9, 2020, 12:09 PM

My comments are in continual edit mode as my grammer and syntax is terrible.

TunnelRat · February 9, 2020, 12:16 PM

That's totally understandable, I'm making edits too. My point is that responses to posts that have been edited might not make sense (in part because I use fragments rather than sentences and don't specify my subjects like I should). I think this is part of the confusion for posts 56 and 57.

Anyway I think the summary above is accurate, albeit the last part is my opinion.

**Aguila Blanca** · February 9, 2020, 12:50 PM

This thread has devolved from a discussion about a question to a debate between two individuals who are talking at rather than to one another. Nothing new has been added since yesterday so I guess this thread has reached a natural conclusion.

Closed.

February 9, 2020, 11:27 AM	#51
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,212	Handgun status when need for defensive shot might be imminent That’s great, I anxiously await. I think at this point you’re completely missing the forest for the trees with regards to my post, that being that “exists as a mode” did not invalidate the points in my post. I also fail to see where what I stated “stands in the face of common beliefs”. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

February 9, 2020, 11:34 AM	#52
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,212	Handgun status when need for defensive shot might be imminent So that’s not a “history book” though. So the level of proof is an internet search resulting in a blog? Okay. Now that I know what is the definition of “is written” I will apply that going forward. Again to me “is written” is markedly more proof than “it is heard/told”. When someone asks for that I assume they want a primary source. When someone says they know something is written in a “history book”, that to me means they know of a specific history book where it is written. Not that they can do a Google search and get results. If these definitions aren’t your own that’s fine, but seeing as they relate to this discussion we’re having they are what I work under. If your point is you want legitimacy in discussion, so do I. My point is the definition of legitimacy isn’t the same from one person to another. I also think that larger talking points aren’t completely derailed by certain phrasing if that phrasing isn’t the main point of discussion. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Last edited by TunnelRat; February 9, 2020 at 11:50 AM.

February 9, 2020, 11:48 AM	#53
FireForged Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 1999 Location: Rebel South USA Posts: 2,074	I already said.. "any corroboration which is more substantial than thin air". If you want to call me wrong for suggesting that the creation of the DA mechanism was about rate of fire and NOT about safety.. you can but I suspect you will be in the minority if you do. The article that I referenced is certainly not a "history book" but it is certainly more than an opinion piece. Still, I will be glad to read whatever you produce in support of your previous statement regarding the reason DA exists __________________ Life is a web woven by necessity and chance... Last edited by FireForged; February 9, 2020 at 11:54 AM.

February 9, 2020, 11:59 AM	#57
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,212	Definitions of "what is written". You edited the post, which was originally just the first line, and meant I didn't need the clarifier. With the edits it needs the clarifier. __________________ Know the status of your weapon Keep your muzzle oriented so that no one will be hurt if the firearm discharges Keep your finger off the trigger until you have an adequate sight picture Maintain situational awareness

February 9, 2020, 12:02 PM	#58
FireForged Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 1999 Location: Rebel South USA Posts: 2,074	Tunnel, you are way too smart for me. I have great difficulty following and understanding the points you make. This may not be your fault and could simply be a result of language nuances. I stand by what I said but at this point I am unable to construct anything productive from a continued back and forth. Thank you for your comments but I suspect that you may be pulling my leg. If so, you got me ( I fell for it) If you come up with ANY information which supports your earlier proclamation, I would be glad to read it. If not, I consider the matter closed due to impasse. __________________ Life is a web woven by necessity and chance... Last edited by FireForged; February 9, 2020 at 12:08 PM.

February 9, 2020, 11:51 AM	#54
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,212	Then there we have it. Your definitions differ from mine. Fair enough. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

February 9, 2020, 12:06 PM	#59
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,212	I don't think I am particularly smart. I think we're both editing comments faster than people can keep track (at least myself). I made a statement about what I saw as the use of DA/SA. It was phrased in a way that made it appear I was stating that DA/SA was designed solely for that purpose. You questioned that, asked me for where it was written. I clarified that I should have stated usage and not design. I then asked you what you meant by "is written". You eventually did and I stated that your definition isn't the same as mine. I've also stated multiple times that I don't think my phrasing of a few words in that one post completely invalidates that entire post. __________________ Know the status of your weapon Keep your muzzle oriented so that no one will be hurt if the firearm discharges Keep your finger off the trigger until you have an adequate sight picture Maintain situational awareness

February 9, 2020, 12:09 PM	#60
FireForged Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 1999 Location: Rebel South USA Posts: 2,074	My comments are in continual edit mode as my grammer and syntax is terrible. __________________ Life is a web woven by necessity and chance... Last edited by FireForged; February 9, 2020 at 12:31 PM.

February 9, 2020, 12:16 PM	#61
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,212	Handgun status when need for defensive shot might be imminent That's totally understandable, I'm making edits too. My point is that responses to posts that have been edited might not make sense (in part because I use fragments rather than sentences and don't specify my subjects like I should). I think this is part of the confusion for posts 56 and 57. Anyway I think the summary above is accurate, albeit the last part is my opinion.

February 9, 2020, 12:50 PM	#62
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,467	This thread has devolved from a discussion about a question to a debate between two individuals who are talking at rather than to one another. Nothing new has been added since yesterday so I guess this thread has reached a natural conclusion. Closed. __________________ NRA Life Member / Certified Instructor NRA Chief RSO / CMP RSO 1911 Certified Armorer Jeepaholic