Could someone explain this shotgun to me?

Venom1956 · July 17, 2014, 04:51 PM

http://shockwavetechnologies.com/site/?page_id=88

Its a PG 14" mossberg that is apparently exempt from NFA?

is it a certain model or any of the PG shotguns they make?

**Tom Servo** · July 17, 2014, 05:07 PM

According to the letter dated July 20th, 2010, the ATF "utlizes 26 inches as a presumptive standard to determine whether a firearm is 'capable of being concealed on the person.'"

However, the following paragraph is important:

Quote:

Nonetheless, because the statute does not expressly indicate any maximum overall length, a firearm measuring greater than 26 inches in length may properly be classified as an "any other weapon" if it otherwise satisfies the definition of an AOW and there is evidence that the firearm was actually concealed on the person.

There's a lot of room for discretion there.

Willie Lowman · July 17, 2014, 07:46 PM

Yeah. Show that gun to any ATF field agent and tell them that you don't have a tax stamp and see what they say to you.

Venom1956 · July 17, 2014, 07:48 PM

That was my thinking... just making sure.

Scorch · July 18, 2014, 01:32 AM

That is a pistol grip only shotgun. The ATF's position is like this: Since it has never been a shotgun with a full-length buttstock, it does not meet the requirements of 18" barrel length/27" minimum overall length. No tax stamp, not an NFA item. Kind of pretzel logic, but it's legit.

dogtown tom · July 18, 2014, 11:43 AM

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ScorchThat is a pistol grip only shotgun. The ATF's position is like this: Since it has never been a shotgun with a full-length buttstock, it does not meet the requirements of 18" barrel length/27" minimum overall length. No tax stamp, not an NFA item. Kind of pretzel logic, but it's legit.

Not exactly.

The reason that firearm is not NFA is because it has never had a shoulder stock attached AND its overall length EXCEEDS 26".

Remove that birdshead grip and replace with a pistol grip that reduces the OAL to less than 26" and you have made an AOW.

Skans · July 20, 2014, 07:31 AM

Can someone make that in a good semi-auto with box magazine?

July 17, 2014, 04:51 PM	#1
Venom1956 Senior Member Join Date: October 4, 2008 Location: WI Posts: 3,656	Could someone explain this shotgun to me? http://shockwavetechnologies.com/site/?page_id=88 Its a PG 14" mossberg that is apparently exempt from NFA? is it a certain model or any of the PG shotguns they make? __________________ E-Shock rounds are engineered to expend maximum energy into soft targets, turning the density mass into an expanding rotational cone of NyTrilium matrix particles, causing neurological collapse to the central nervous system.- Yeah I can do that. I guarantee you will know it if a bicyclist hits your house going 1000 mph. -Smaug

July 17, 2014, 07:48 PM	#4
Venom1956 Senior Member Join Date: October 4, 2008 Location: WI Posts: 3,656	That was my thinking... just making sure. __________________ E-Shock rounds are engineered to expend maximum energy into soft targets, turning the density mass into an expanding rotational cone of NyTrilium matrix particles, causing neurological collapse to the central nervous system.- Yeah I can do that. I guarantee you will know it if a bicyclist hits your house going 1000 mph. -Smaug

July 18, 2014, 01:32 AM	#5
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 15,248	That is a pistol grip only shotgun. The ATF's position is like this: Since it has never been a shotgun with a full-length buttstock, it does not meet the requirements of 18" barrel length/27" minimum overall length. No tax stamp, not an NFA item. Kind of pretzel logic, but it's legit. __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services

July 17, 2014, 07:46 PM	#3
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 3,006	Yeah. Show that gun to any ATF field agent and tell them that you don't have a tax stamp and see what they say to you.

July 20, 2014, 07:31 AM	#7
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 11,132	Can someone make that in a good semi-auto with box magazine?