Three questions about your SD gun

warningshot · August 22, 2010, 03:36 AM

1). Is your SD gun more than 20 seconds from your reach right now? Yes or No.

2) How many dependable rounds of ammo for your SD gun could you gather-up and put into action within the next 5 minutes?

3) In your SD's present condition, will it reliably fire 200 rds or more without lubricaton concern? If not, how many rounds would it fire?

Bonus Question: Would your instructor or shooting partner share the same level of confindence that you have in your answers?

As a reward I'd be glad to answer the most requested questions readers have for me; Yes, I am an AdamHenry; No, I don't have many friends; And I am paranoid.

Win_94 · August 22, 2010, 03:55 AM

1) All of my guns are within 20 seconds reach.

2) I wish I knew what "SD," (other than as "standard deviation,") meant... I'll say "enough," for all my guns.

3) All my guns will.

Bonus Question: Yes, that is why they'll grab one of mine.

smince · August 22, 2010, 07:54 AM

1.Yes

2. Off the top of my head, 200+

3. It went 800+ in the last one-day class I took.

Bonus-Yes

BerettaBuckeye · August 22, 2010, 08:34 AM

1) No
2) 300 or so
3) Not sure, it's never been asked to*

Bonus) Not sure and don't care

* My "SD" gun in this case is my carry gun. I asssume you're getting at some kind of SHTF scenario in which case my carry gun ( Kahr PM45 ) would no longer be my carry gun, my XD9 would replace it. So in that case the answer to 3 is yes. And the answer to 2 goes to....a lot more

jhenry · August 22, 2010, 09:55 AM

I have more than 1 SD firearm within 20 seconds, but for the primary one at the moment, I have probably 12 or 13 hundred rounds factory and components or already loaded reloads, probably 2 thousand. In my vehicle I have 39 rounds in mags in addition to a box. They will fire 200 rounds without additional work or lubrication, and yes my partner/instructor or whatever has confidence in the choices.

I am not paranoid, I just like guns so I like to shoot them, I am not an Adam Henry, and I do in fact have friends. I consider it to be a point of good manners and social conduct to avoid AH type behavior.

Jimmy10mm · August 22, 2010, 10:10 AM

I pretty much always have one of a few within reach. One magazine in the gun is all I generally keep at the ready.

nate45 · August 22, 2010, 10:46 AM

No

Not sure, several hundred anyway.

Yes. Probably all I have available, barring a mechanical breakage.

Anyone who knows me very well at all, would have no doubt.

sakeneko · August 22, 2010, 11:06 AM

Win94 -- "SD" means "self defense".

warningshot --

| 1). Is your SD gun more than 20 seconds from your reach right now?
| Yes or No.

No. It's within two seconds reach.

| 2) How many dependable rounds of ammo for your SD gun could you
| gather-up and put into action within the next 5 minutes?

Fifteen within three seconds. (Five in the gun, two loaded speedloaders also within arm's reach.

Not sure how many within five minutes. My self defense ammunition is all within 5 minutes reach, so all of it -- at least three hundred rounds. (There was a good deal available on a top-grade .357 JHP round recently.) :-)

| 3) In your SD's present condition, will it reliably fire 200 rds or more without
| lubricaton concern? If not, how many rounds would it fire?

Easily. It hasn't been fired since last cleaned and lubricated, couple of weeks go. I carry an S&W M60, so it would probably fire if I hadn't cleaned it in a year, but I don't plan to test that hypothesis.

| Bonus Question: Would your instructor or shooting partner share the
| samelevel of confindence that you have in your answers?

Yep. He lives here. Same's mostly true of him, except his S/D gun is an automatic and might *not* fire if left uncleaned for a year. But he's no such fool and won't be testing that hypothesis either.

Now, I have a couple of questions. What was the point of the second question? I could see, "How many rounds are loaded in the gun or in magazines/speed loaders/speed strips within reach?", but "within five minutes" is *waaaayyy* too far to be useful in any self-defense scenario I've considered. If you've got somebody trying to mug you *right now*, or break into your house *right now*, you need to defend yourself with what's at hand. If you're in a war zone and under chronic attack, IMHO you don't need more ammunition -- you need to leave.

And who is "AdamHenry" and why would I be expected to know this? (I wouldn't necessarily know a famous shooter or trainer, BTW; I'm fairly new to shooting and do it for self defense mostly. Not a hunter or competition shooter.)

Edward429451 · August 22, 2010, 11:43 AM

1) No

2) close to 800 (I have full confidence in my 225gr LRN for SD purposes)

3) Yes

5 minutes?! Thats a long time :-)

Gary L. Griffiths · August 22, 2010, 11:47 AM

1. No (About 2 seconds for "always" gun to 5 seconds for "serious social occasions" gun)

2. About 475 rds (mostly FMJs, though)

3. Absolutely.

357 Python · August 22, 2010, 12:14 PM

My answers:

1. All of my guns are that close except when going to and from work.
2. Depends on where I am. On duty I'm limited by department issue requirements. At home, 18 months ago I would say 1000 rounds just for one of my guns. Now I would say 400 for that same gun, but I'm slowly rebuilding.
3. Absolutely.
Bonus. Considering I am an instructor my shooting buddies know mine are ready, willing, and able.

TheGoldenState · August 22, 2010, 12:21 PM

three questions about your SD gun
1). Is your SD gun more than 20 seconds from your reach right now?

No.

2) How many dependable rounds of ammo for your SD gun could you gather-up and put into action within the next 5 minutes?

I have multiple SD guns. Extra mags for each, some ammo in the Safe and more in the stow away places.

3) In your SD's present condition, will it reliably fire 200 rds or more without lubricaton concern? If not, how many rounds would it fire?

Yes

Bonus Question: Would your instructor or shooting partner share the same level of confindence that you have in your answers?

Yes

Tombstonejim · August 22, 2010, 12:33 PM

I always find these questions interesting in that they almost Always assume that you only have one weapon.

Right now there is a .25 auto laying on my computer desk. it stays there all the time. I am upstairs on the second floor so ain't likely any one is going to sneak up me past the three dogs and gate alarm thats 1200ft away.

Now behind the door is a .270win in the next room is a 45-70.

In my bedroom there is an SW MP .40, a glock 19, a 1911a1, an AR15, and and a winchester 62.

Dinning room a Ruger LCP, kitchen a 44-40 colt, and then a few others around. They all work. In the laundry don't know 500 rds at least.

ClayInTx · August 22, 2010, 12:38 PM

1. No.
2. Twenty-two.
3. Yes.
Bonus: I have no instructor. I have no partner.

Comment: If I need more than twenty-two rounds I’m in DS and it’s war. Reloading is not an option for me in an SD situation.

Amin Parker · August 22, 2010, 12:52 PM

1) no
2) 3x 20shot mags and 2 15 shot mags. But when im out and about it one 15 shot and a 20 shot as a spare mag

I think anyone with any real knowledge of firearms will agree that an Fn thats clean and is loaded well tested will run on and on and on, it will gobble up hard primers and will even work with a less than perfect grip.

On a side not, a 5 shot snub with no reload is deadly in the right hands. The reason im so heavily armed is because im always in danger of a robbery as i run a cash business with big turnover in South Africa

old bear · August 22, 2010, 01:00 PM

1- two of them are in reach with in 20 seconds.
2- more than I could carry, 1,000 + rounds
3- It has every time I have shot it, so it damn well better.
Bonus, you would have to ask them, but no one has ever refused to work with me.

Don P · August 22, 2010, 02:15 PM

# 1- yes
# 2- 4,300

# 3- yes
Bonus ? yes

Sefner · August 22, 2010, 02:38 PM

OP needs to try to not post questions in the negative

I will answer in complete sentences.

1. All of my guns are within 20 seconds of me, my primary SD is sitting on my desk right now. My HD shotgun is in the other room under the bed ready to go. I live in a small apartment.

2. I keep a Google Doc spreadsheet of my current ammo count. Looks like I only have 49 self defense rounds and 7 target rounds left (even went to the gun show this weekend, bad prices). 120 shotgun shells though.

3. My handgun is relatively new and needs to be broken in and FTEs every 50 rounds or so (getting rarer). I have trained to deal with FTFs and FTEs though, and they mainly happen because I limp wrist some of my shots (not since a new grip though). The shotgun has never failed on me.

Bonus: The person I live with has never had a failure when shooting either of the defense guns.

Terry A · August 22, 2010, 02:59 PM

1. No! Of course not.

2. 300+

3. Yes

retiredcoasty · August 22, 2010, 03:13 PM

1. Yes
2. Depends, anywhere between 300 to 900
3. Always

cole k · August 22, 2010, 03:13 PM

Yes, in fact there are 2.
About 500.
Yes.
Yes.

**Mike Irwin** · August 22, 2010, 03:23 PM

No.

At least 2,000.

Yes.

No clue, and don't really care.

alloy · August 22, 2010, 03:28 PM

Yes, but if I've got five minutes to get ready I'm not going to be fooling with my SD gun.

Hkmp5sd · August 22, 2010, 03:53 PM

1. Yep.

2. 2,000 +

3. Yep.

Dwight55 · August 22, 2010, 04:00 PM

1). Is your SD gun more than 20 seconds from your reach right now?

Absolutely not.

2) How many dependable rounds of ammo for your SD gun could you gather-up and put into action within the next 5 minutes?

Something in the neighborhood of hundreds, . . . but if I've got 5 minutes, . . . we ain't talking my SD handgun, . . . we're talking serious long gun, . . . serious backup ammo, . . . serious caliber, . . .

3) In your SD's present condition, will it reliably fire 200 rds or more without lubricaton concern? If not, how many rounds would it fire?

I only have one weapon in my "collection" that wouldn't reliably fire 200 or more rounds, . . . it's my knife.

Bonus Question: Would your instructor or shooting partner share the same level of confindence that you have in your answers?

I would assume so, . . . but quite truthfully, . . . I would not care either way.

May God bless,
Dwight

August 22, 2010, 03:36 AM	#1
warningshot Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2009 Posts: 995	Three questions about your SD gun 1). Is your SD gun more than 20 seconds from your reach right now? Yes or No. 2) How many dependable rounds of ammo for your SD gun could you gather-up and put into action within the next 5 minutes? 3) In your SD's present condition, will it reliably fire 200 rds or more without lubricaton concern? If not, how many rounds would it fire? Bonus Question: Would your instructor or shooting partner share the same level of confindence that you have in your answers? As a reward I'd be glad to answer the most requested questions readers have for me; Yes, I am an AdamHenry; No, I don't have many friends; And I am paranoid.

August 22, 2010, 08:34 AM	#4
BerettaBuckeye Senior Member Join Date: January 22, 2006 Location: In The Heart Of The Buckeye Nation Posts: 558	1) No 2) 300 or so 3) Not sure, it's never been asked to* Bonus) Not sure and don't care * My "SD" gun in this case is my carry gun. I asssume you're getting at some kind of SHTF scenario in which case my carry gun ( Kahr PM45 ) would no longer be my carry gun, my XD9 would replace it. So in that case the answer to 3 is yes. And the answer to 2 goes to....a lot more __________________ (\__/) "I would rather be your friend, but if you are (='.'=) not interested in that, I am prepared to be (")_(") a capable and efficient enemy." - Jeff Cooper

August 22, 2010, 09:55 AM	#5
jhenry Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2006 Location: Ozarks Posts: 1,840	I have more than 1 SD firearm within 20 seconds, but for the primary one at the moment, I have probably 12 or 13 hundred rounds factory and components or already loaded reloads, probably 2 thousand. In my vehicle I have 39 rounds in mags in addition to a box. They will fire 200 rounds without additional work or lubrication, and yes my partner/instructor or whatever has confidence in the choices. I am not paranoid, I just like guns so I like to shoot them, I am not an Adam Henry, and I do in fact have friends. I consider it to be a point of good manners and social conduct to avoid AH type behavior. __________________ "A Liberal is someone who doesn't care what you do, as long as it's mandatory". - Charles Krauthammer

August 22, 2010, 10:46 AM	#7
nate45 Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 3,746	No Not sure, several hundred anyway. Yes. Probably all I have available, barring a mechanical breakage. Anyone who knows me very well at all, would have no doubt. __________________ "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."- Thomas Jefferson ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ (>_<)

August 22, 2010, 11:47 AM	#10
Gary L. Griffiths Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: AZ, WA Posts: 1,466	1. No (About 2 seconds for "always" gun to 5 seconds for "serious social occasions" gun) 2. About 475 rds (mostly FMJs, though) 3. Absolutely. __________________ Violence is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and valorous feeling which believes that nothing is worth violence is much worse. Those who have nothing for which they are willing to fight; nothing they care about more than their own craven apathy; are miserable creatures who have no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the valor of those better than themselves. Gary L. Griffiths (Paraphrasing John Stuart Mill)

August 22, 2010, 03:55 AM	#2
Win_94 Junior member Join Date: August 21, 2010 Location: Ohio Posts: 214	1) All of my guns are within 20 seconds reach. 2) I wish I knew what "SD," (other than as "standard deviation,") meant... I'll say "enough," for all my guns. 3) All my guns will. Bonus Question: Yes, that is why they'll grab one of mine.

August 22, 2010, 07:54 AM	#3
smince Junior member Join Date: October 9, 2004 Location: Northeast Alabama Posts: 2,580	1.Yes 2. Off the top of my head, 200+ 3. It went 800+ in the last one-day class I took. Bonus-Yes

August 22, 2010, 10:10 AM	#6
Jimmy10mm Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2010 Location: Greenacres, FL Posts: 933	I pretty much always have one of a few within reach. One magazine in the gun is all I generally keep at the ready.

August 22, 2010, 11:06 AM	#8
sakeneko Senior Member Join Date: May 23, 2009 Location: Nevada Posts: 644	Win94 -- "SD" means "self defense". warningshot -- \| 1). Is your SD gun more than 20 seconds from your reach right now? \| Yes or No. No. It's within two seconds reach. \| 2) How many dependable rounds of ammo for your SD gun could you \| gather-up and put into action within the next 5 minutes? Fifteen within three seconds. (Five in the gun, two loaded speedloaders also within arm's reach. Not sure how many within five minutes. My self defense ammunition is all within 5 minutes reach, so all of it -- at least three hundred rounds. (There was a good deal available on a top-grade .357 JHP round recently.) :-) \| 3) In your SD's present condition, will it reliably fire 200 rds or more without \| lubricaton concern? If not, how many rounds would it fire? Easily. It hasn't been fired since last cleaned and lubricated, couple of weeks go. I carry an S&W M60, so it would probably fire if I hadn't cleaned it in a year, but I don't plan to test that hypothesis. \| Bonus Question: Would your instructor or shooting partner share the \| samelevel of confindence that you have in your answers? Yep. He lives here. Same's mostly true of him, except his S/D gun is an automatic and might not fire if left uncleaned for a year. But he's no such fool and won't be testing that hypothesis either. Now, I have a couple of questions. What was the point of the second question? I could see, "How many rounds are loaded in the gun or in magazines/speed loaders/speed strips within reach?", but "within five minutes" is waaaayyy too far to be useful in any self-defense scenario I've considered. If you've got somebody trying to mug you right now, or break into your house right now, you need to defend yourself with what's at hand. If you're in a war zone and under chronic attack, IMHO you don't need more ammunition -- you need to leave. And who is "AdamHenry" and why would I be expected to know this? (I wouldn't necessarily know a famous shooter or trainer, BTW; I'm fairly new to shooting and do it for self defense mostly. Not a hunter or competition shooter.)

August 22, 2010, 11:43 AM	#9
Edward429451 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 9,494	1) No 2) close to 800 (I have full confidence in my 225gr LRN for SD purposes) 3) Yes 5 minutes?! Thats a long time :-)

August 22, 2010, 12:14 PM	#11
357 Python Senior Member Join Date: June 7, 2007 Location: Charlottesville, VA Posts: 941	My answers: 1. All of my guns are that close except when going to and from work. 2. Depends on where I am. On duty I'm limited by department issue requirements. At home, 18 months ago I would say 1000 rounds just for one of my guns. Now I would say 400 for that same gun, but I'm slowly rebuilding. 3. Absolutely. Bonus. Considering I am an instructor my shooting buddies know mine are ready, willing, and able.

August 22, 2010, 12:21 PM	#12
TheGoldenState Senior Member Join Date: August 8, 2010 Posts: 1,191	three questions about your SD gun 1). Is your SD gun more than 20 seconds from your reach right now? No. 2) How many dependable rounds of ammo for your SD gun could you gather-up and put into action within the next 5 minutes? I have multiple SD guns. Extra mags for each, some ammo in the Safe and more in the stow away places. 3) In your SD's present condition, will it reliably fire 200 rds or more without lubricaton concern? If not, how many rounds would it fire? Yes Bonus Question: Would your instructor or shooting partner share the same level of confindence that you have in your answers? Yes __________________ The Day You Get Comfortable Is The Day You Get Careless...

August 22, 2010, 12:33 PM	#13
Tombstonejim Senior Member Join Date: October 22, 2007 Location: Tombstone Az Posts: 202	I always find these questions interesting in that they almost Always assume that you only have one weapon. Right now there is a .25 auto laying on my computer desk. it stays there all the time. I am upstairs on the second floor so ain't likely any one is going to sneak up me past the three dogs and gate alarm thats 1200ft away. Now behind the door is a .270win in the next room is a 45-70. In my bedroom there is an SW MP .40, a glock 19, a 1911a1, an AR15, and and a winchester 62. Dinning room a Ruger LCP, kitchen a 44-40 colt, and then a few others around. They all work. In the laundry don't know 500 rds at least.

August 22, 2010, 12:38 PM	#14
ClayInTx Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,066	1. No. 2. Twenty-two. 3. Yes. Bonus: I have no instructor. I have no partner. Comment: If I need more than twenty-two rounds I’m in DS and it’s war. Reloading is not an option for me in an SD situation.

August 22, 2010, 12:52 PM	#15
Amin Parker Senior Member Join Date: August 19, 2010 Posts: 1,118	1) no 2) 3x 20shot mags and 2 15 shot mags. But when im out and about it one 15 shot and a 20 shot as a spare mag I think anyone with any real knowledge of firearms will agree that an Fn thats clean and is loaded well tested will run on and on and on, it will gobble up hard primers and will even work with a less than perfect grip. On a side not, a 5 shot snub with no reload is deadly in the right hands. The reason im so heavily armed is because im always in danger of a robbery as i run a cash business with big turnover in South Africa

August 22, 2010, 01:00 PM	#16
old bear Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 2009 Location: Not close enough to the beach Posts: 1,477	1- two of them are in reach with in 20 seconds. 2- more than I could carry, 1,000 + rounds 3- It has every time I have shot it, so it damn well better. Bonus, you would have to ask them, but no one has ever refused to work with me. Last edited by old bear; August 22, 2010 at 05:54 PM.

August 22, 2010, 02:15 PM	#17
Don P Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2005 Location: Swamp dweller Posts: 6,187	# 1- yes # 2- 4,300 # 3- yes Bonus ? yes __________________ *NRA Life Member, NRA Chief Range Safety Officer, NRA Certified Pistol Instructor,, USPSA & Steel Challange NROI Range Officer, ICORE Range Officer, ,MAG 40 Graduate* *As you are, I once was, As I am, You will be.*

August 22, 2010, 02:38 PM	#18
Sefner Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 769	OP needs to try to not post questions in the negative I will answer in complete sentences. 1. All of my guns are within 20 seconds of me, my primary SD is sitting on my desk right now. My HD shotgun is in the other room under the bed ready to go. I live in a small apartment. 2. I keep a Google Doc spreadsheet of my current ammo count. Looks like I only have 49 self defense rounds and 7 target rounds left (even went to the gun show this weekend, bad prices). 120 shotgun shells though. 3. My handgun is relatively new and needs to be broken in and FTEs every 50 rounds or so (getting rarer). I have trained to deal with FTFs and FTEs though, and they mainly happen because I limp wrist some of my shots (not since a new grip though). The shotgun has never failed on me. Bonus: The person I live with has never had a failure when shooting either of the defense guns. __________________ gtalk:renfes steamID: Sefner

August 22, 2010, 02:59 PM	#19
Terry A Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2008 Location: Washington, Pa Posts: 764	1. No! Of course not. 2. 300+ 3. Yes __________________ 2 Thes 3:16 "Now may the Lord of peace Himself continually grant you peace in every circumstance. The Lord be with you all! "

August 22, 2010, 03:13 PM	#20
retiredcoasty Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2009 Location: Central Massachusetts Posts: 139	1. Yes 2. Depends, anywhere between 300 to 900 3. Always

August 22, 2010, 03:13 PM	#21
cole k Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2008 Location: east of the Big Muddy Posts: 248	Yes, in fact there are 2. About 500. Yes. Yes.

August 22, 2010, 03:23 PM	#22
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,388	No. At least 2,000. Yes. No clue, and don't really care. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

August 22, 2010, 03:53 PM	#24
Hkmp5sd Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2001 Location: Winter Haven, Florida Posts: 4,303	1. Yep. 2. 2,000 + 3. Yep. __________________ NRA Certified Instructor: Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun, Home Safety, Personal Protection, Range Safety Officer NRA Life Member

August 22, 2010, 04:00 PM	#25
Dwight55 Senior Member Join Date: June 18, 2004 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 2,568	1). Is your SD gun more than 20 seconds from your reach right now? Absolutely not. 2) How many dependable rounds of ammo for your SD gun could you gather-up and put into action within the next 5 minutes? Something in the neighborhood of hundreds, . . . but if I've got 5 minutes, . . . we ain't talking my SD handgun, . . . we're talking serious long gun, . . . serious backup ammo, . . . serious caliber, . . . 3) In your SD's present condition, will it reliably fire 200 rds or more without lubricaton concern? If not, how many rounds would it fire? I only have one weapon in my "collection" that wouldn't reliably fire 200 or more rounds, . . . it's my knife. Bonus Question: Would your instructor or shooting partner share the same level of confindence that you have in your answers? I would assume so, . . . but quite truthfully, . . . I would not care either way. May God bless, Dwight __________________ www.dwightsgunleather.com If you can breathe, . . . thank God! If you can read, . . . thank a teacher! If you are reading this in English, . . . thank a Veteran!