357 Ring Of Fire Update

[Aguila Blanca]

Originally Posted by 74A95

Aguila Blanca

You're dead wrong. Look again. Look under the data for 38 Super Auto. There is data for 10 bullet weights from 90 to 150 grains, and 13 powders.

Look again ... where? I gave you the link to the Hodgdon/Winchester on-line site, and I double checked before I posted. That's the on-line source. If you found some other on-line data from Hodgdon, please post the link to it.

[Aguila Blanca]

Originally Posted by Davelliott

Here's the latest performance data for the 357 Ring Of Fire cartridges.
The starting pressures are 37,000 PSI, and the maximum pressures are
45,000 PSI. The C.O.A.L has been reduced to 1.280 to accommodate a wider range of pistol magazines and hopefully appeal to a larger group.
125 gr. Speer JHP, JSP
POWER PISTOL 1475-1581
140 gr. Sierra JHP
POWER PISTOL 1347-1441

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Dave, it would be much more informative if you would include the pressures with each of those loads, as well as the powders and charges used for each. Can we assume that the pressures you indicate are still assumptions generated by Quick Load, rather than actual tested pressures?

[ShootistPRS]

I just checked for the 38 super and there are a lot of bullets and powders listed.
I checked the 38 super +P and there is only one powder and several bullets listed.
Perhaps you should check again?

[74A95]

Look again ... where? I gave you the link to the Hodgdon/Winchester on-line site, and I double checked before I posted. That's the on-line source. If you found some other on-line data from Hodgdon, please post the link to it.

Aguila Blanca

I used the link you posted: http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol

follow the instructions I gave you and look again. I guess that means you'll have to TRIPLE check since you missed it the first two times.

ShootistPRS found the data I mentioned at that same link.

[mavracer]

Having looked through the sources and loads that you provide, I don't really agree that the numbers are "very similar" to the ROF performance claims, but let's take your claim as true for the sake of argument.

If .38 Super performance numbers really are "very similar" to ROF performance, then what's the point of the ROF? Why not just use the .38 Super instead--especially since it operates at lower pressures.

It should be pretty obvious that there are only two logical options here. Either the numbers aren't "very similar" or there's no practical reason for the ROF to exist.

Folks have been hot rodding the 38 super in 1911's with supported chambers since the early '80s look at his last link and take note of the guys that are shooting 38 Super making major PF I saw some PFs over 180.
Yes these loads are above SAAMI specs but plenty of data exists for folks that know what they are doing.
So I'm going with B there's no practical reason for the ROF to exist.
All the reasons are ultimately the tail wagging the dog.
If there was a demand for the ring of fire to exist, the 9X23 would fill it and be popular. If there was demand for 158-180gr bullets out of 38 Super and 9X23 ammo companies would make it.