The ultimate sin

mhr1959 · December 17, 2009, 06:11 PM

I did it - while sighting in a couple of rifles this year, I loaded either a .280 or a 30.06 shell in my .270. Broke the ejector off the bolt, so I don't even know which one is in there. Since my son gave me this rifle, I'll do what ever it takes to get it fixed. My question is, can it be done? Will this gun ever be 100%? Thanks in advance, and feel free to hurl any insults that come to mind; I deserve them.

mapsjanhere · December 17, 2009, 06:36 PM

What gun?
Did you fire the round?
Can you open the bolt?
If you say yes to the latter two question, it's an easy fix to get it out.
If not, gun smith time.
In any case, a broken ejector (so I presume it's the extractor if the shell is still in the chamber) is an easy fix on most rifles.

fisherman66 · December 17, 2009, 06:49 PM

I can think of sum worse sins.

If you didn't fire the round you should have much problem, but definitely tell the gunsmith you have a live round in the chamber. If you did fire the round, thank your lucky stars.

kwells6 · December 17, 2009, 07:03 PM

get a metal dowel and GENTLY tap out the round/brass... I had that happen with a 7mm mauser which swelled too much. just did what the gunsmith advised and it worked.

fixing the extractor is an easy fix

bcarver · December 17, 2009, 07:08 PM

place gun upright in a vice.
lower a rod down the barrel.
tap(gingerly) on top of rod with hammer.
wear ear/ear protection.
order extractor remove and replace.

mhr1959 · December 18, 2009, 07:28 PM

did fire the round - gas blew out the bottom - used a cleaning rod to try to tap the shell out - it broke. Should I use more force?

BTW - been thanking my lucky stars since it happened - was not pretty

mhr1959 · December 18, 2009, 07:30 PM

it's a browning a bolt and i can open the bolt

LongRifles, Inc. · December 18, 2009, 07:35 PM

H110 instead of H1000.

Now THERE'S A SIN!

fisherman66 · December 18, 2009, 07:38 PM

Is the round lodged in the barrel? Jezzus, you are very lucky. The barrel could have exploded or worse the lugs on the bolt could have sheared and you would have caught it somewhere between you mouth and your sinus cavity.

I know you don't want to do this, but I wouldn't mess with a rifle that has that kind of past. Chalk it up to a lesson you will never forget.

kwells6 · December 18, 2009, 08:32 PM

Don't feel bad. It happens. My genius brother somehow got a 270 in a 25-06 and it did something similar. Got a metal dowel and out it came. since its fired already, you dont have to be incredibly gentle

Just make sure the metal dowel is AS CLOSE to the same diameter as the barrel.

James K · December 18, 2009, 11:43 PM

It almost had to be a .280, as there is no way you could seat a .30-'06 in a .270 chamber without a sledge hammer. The .280 wouldn't be easy, either, and I can't believe you didn't use a lot of force to get it in, but if the .270 chamber were a bit sloppy, it might go. (A good lesson in not having ammunition around that you shouldn't use in the gun you are shooting.)

What probably happened is that the larger cartridge was forced in, but there was not enough room for neck expansion, with the result that the pressure went sky high and the result was predictable. (The oversize bullet would have little effect.)

If the base of the cartridge case is still there, a brass rod should be used to drive it out. You say a steel rod broke. Was it a cleaning rod? I can't imagine a steel rod of anywhere near 1/4 inch just breaking. If the base of the case is gone, you will need a broken shell extractor to remove it.

I think from reading your posts, that it would be better to consult a gunsmith. Not only would he be more likely to get the case out without damage to the gun, but he can then determine if there is any damage that can't be repaired or that would compromise the strength of the rifle.

Jim

Jim Watson · December 19, 2009, 12:01 AM

Crawl back to the maker and beg them to fix it.

I have trouble visualizing the effort it would take to resize a .30-06 to where it would go in a .270 chamber; or to resize a .280 AND set the shoulder back .05" to get it in.

There is another thread here about a .30-06 crammed into a .270, with demolition of a mere Mauser action. So it CAN happen.
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...43#post3839843

mhr1959 · December 19, 2009, 08:35 AM

I talked to a local gunsmith and he said he ships all the brownings he gets back to them. Should I go through him, or can I just ship it directly to browning?

edward5759 · December 19, 2009, 02:28 PM

I shot some 270 in a 30-06 barrel just for accuracy kicks.
I was using a universal receiver and a 26 inch barrel.
The groups were about 20'' at 100 yards and the pressure was around 30,000 cup.
If you didn’t shoot it, its an easy fix.
But always check your ammo to the gun or rifle.
I shoot 270 and 280, I take a Sharpe and put a black ring around the case of the 280s
and still I check before loading

I will tell you about a friend that bought a 300 win mag, The numb head dropped in a 30-06 which the rim of the case held on to the extractor so when I shot it I got all the gas on the back end . We were 16-17 years old So I went the other way.
Ed

James K · December 19, 2009, 08:43 PM

Well, .270 in a .30-'06 should fire with no problem though with poor accuracy. The .270 case is simply the .30-'03 case necked down. As to why Winchester picked an obsolete case as the basis of a new cartridge, I have no idea, but that is what they did.

But according to the posts, a .30-'06 cartridge was fired in a .270 chamber, which seems to many of us to be impossible unless the bolt is forced home with a sledge hammer. That round just won't fit. Either there is something we don't know or someone got something to work that just can't work.

Jim

mhr1959 · December 20, 2009, 10:00 AM

I'm sending the rifle to Browning, and will repost to let you guys know what they dig out of there; a .280 or 30.06. Thanks for all the info, and take it from someone with experience - it was a lot easier to do than you can imagine.

December 17, 2009, 06:11 PM	#1
mhr1959 Junior Member Join Date: December 17, 2009 Posts: 5	The ultimate sin I did it - while sighting in a couple of rifles this year, I loaded either a .280 or a 30.06 shell in my .270. Broke the ejector off the bolt, so I don't even know which one is in there. Since my son gave me this rifle, I'll do what ever it takes to get it fixed. My question is, can it be done? Will this gun ever be 100%? Thanks in advance, and feel free to hurl any insults that come to mind; I deserve them.

December 17, 2009, 06:36 PM	#2
mapsjanhere Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,832	What gun? Did you fire the round? Can you open the bolt? If you say yes to the latter two question, it's an easy fix to get it out. If not, gun smith time. In any case, a broken ejector (so I presume it's the extractor if the shell is still in the chamber) is an easy fix on most rifles. __________________ I used to love being able to hit hard at 1000 yards. As I get older I find hitting a mini ram at 200 yards with the 22 oddly more satisfying.

December 17, 2009, 06:49 PM	#3
fisherman66 Senior Member Join Date: August 22, 2005 Location: The Woodlands TX Posts: 4,679	I can think of sum worse sins. If you didn't fire the round you should have much problem, but definitely tell the gunsmith you have a live round in the chamber. If you did fire the round, thank your lucky stars. __________________ la plus belle des ruses du diable est de vous persuader qu'il n'existe pas!

December 17, 2009, 07:03 PM	#4
kwells6 Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Central Arkansas Posts: 437	get a metal dowel and GENTLY tap out the round/brass... I had that happen with a 7mm mauser which swelled too much. just did what the gunsmith advised and it worked. fixing the extractor is an easy fix __________________ "Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."

December 17, 2009, 07:08 PM	#5
bcarver Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2007 Location: Jackson,Mississippi Posts: 838	carefully place gun upright in a vice. lower a rod down the barrel. tap(gingerly) on top of rod with hammer. wear ear/ear protection. order extractor remove and replace.

December 18, 2009, 07:28 PM	#6
mhr1959 Junior Member Join Date: December 17, 2009 Posts: 5	did fire the round - gas blew out the bottom - used a cleaning rod to try to tap the shell out - it broke. Should I use more force? BTW - been thanking my lucky stars since it happened - was not pretty

December 18, 2009, 07:30 PM	#7
mhr1959 Junior Member Join Date: December 17, 2009 Posts: 5	it's a browning a bolt and i can open the bolt

December 18, 2009, 07:35 PM	#8
LongRifles, Inc. Senior Member Join Date: October 21, 2009 Location: Black Hills of S. Dakota Posts: 195	H110 instead of H1000. Now THERE'S A SIN! __________________ LongRifles, Inc. "More than a business, This is a lifestyle." www.longriflesinc.com

December 18, 2009, 07:38 PM	#9
fisherman66 Senior Member Join Date: August 22, 2005 Location: The Woodlands TX Posts: 4,679	Is the round lodged in the barrel? Jezzus, you are very lucky. The barrel could have exploded or worse the lugs on the bolt could have sheared and you would have caught it somewhere between you mouth and your sinus cavity. I know you don't want to do this, but I wouldn't mess with a rifle that has that kind of past. Chalk it up to a lesson you will never forget. __________________ la plus belle des ruses du diable est de vous persuader qu'il n'existe pas!

December 18, 2009, 08:32 PM	#10
kwells6 Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Central Arkansas Posts: 437	Don't feel bad. It happens. My genius brother somehow got a 270 in a 25-06 and it did something similar. Got a metal dowel and out it came. since its fired already, you dont have to be incredibly gentle Just make sure the metal dowel is AS CLOSE to the same diameter as the barrel. __________________ "Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."

December 18, 2009, 11:43 PM	#11
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	It almost had to be a .280, as there is no way you could seat a .30-'06 in a .270 chamber without a sledge hammer. The .280 wouldn't be easy, either, and I can't believe you didn't use a lot of force to get it in, but if the .270 chamber were a bit sloppy, it might go. (A good lesson in not having ammunition around that you shouldn't use in the gun you are shooting.) What probably happened is that the larger cartridge was forced in, but there was not enough room for neck expansion, with the result that the pressure went sky high and the result was predictable. (The oversize bullet would have little effect.) If the base of the cartridge case is still there, a brass rod should be used to drive it out. You say a steel rod broke. Was it a cleaning rod? I can't imagine a steel rod of anywhere near 1/4 inch just breaking. If the base of the case is gone, you will need a broken shell extractor to remove it. I think from reading your posts, that it would be better to consult a gunsmith. Not only would he be more likely to get the case out without damage to the gun, but he can then determine if there is any damage that can't be repaired or that would compromise the strength of the rifle. Jim

December 19, 2009, 12:01 AM	#12
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,543	Crawl back to the maker and beg them to fix it. I have trouble visualizing the effort it would take to resize a .30-06 to where it would go in a .270 chamber; or to resize a .280 AND set the shoulder back .05" to get it in. There is another thread here about a .30-06 crammed into a .270, with demolition of a mere Mauser action. So it CAN happen. http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...43#post3839843 Last edited by Jim Watson; December 19, 2009 at 12:06 AM. Reason: It CAN happen.

December 19, 2009, 08:35 AM	#13
mhr1959 Junior Member Join Date: December 17, 2009 Posts: 5	I talked to a local gunsmith and he said he ships all the brownings he gets back to them. Should I go through him, or can I just ship it directly to browning?

December 19, 2009, 02:28 PM	#14
edward5759 Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ. 30 miles from water, two feet from Hell. Posts: 355	in a test barrel I shot some 270 in a 30-06 barrel just for accuracy kicks. I was using a universal receiver and a 26 inch barrel. The groups were about 20'' at 100 yards and the pressure was around 30,000 cup. If you didn’t shoot it, its an easy fix. But always check your ammo to the gun or rifle. I shoot 270 and 280, I take a Sharpe and put a black ring around the case of the 280s and still I check before loading I will tell you about a friend that bought a 300 win mag, The numb head dropped in a 30-06 which the rim of the case held on to the extractor so when I shot it I got all the gas on the back end . We were 16-17 years old So I went the other way. Ed

December 19, 2009, 08:43 PM	#15
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Well, .270 in a .30-'06 should fire with no problem though with poor accuracy. The .270 case is simply the .30-'03 case necked down. As to why Winchester picked an obsolete case as the basis of a new cartridge, I have no idea, but that is what they did. But according to the posts, a .30-'06 cartridge was fired in a .270 chamber, which seems to many of us to be impossible unless the bolt is forced home with a sledge hammer. That round just won't fit. Either there is something we don't know or someone got something to work that just can't work. Jim

December 20, 2009, 10:00 AM	#16
mhr1959 Junior Member Join Date: December 17, 2009 Posts: 5	No sledge hammer needed I'm sending the rifle to Browning, and will repost to let you guys know what they dig out of there; a .280 or 30.06. Thanks for all the info, and take it from someone with experience - it was a lot easier to do than you can imagine.