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Old August 22, 2006, 11:40 AM   #1
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Birdshot through an interior wall - video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgqbdVFxlkk
http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=580932

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Old August 22, 2006, 12:29 PM   #2
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Just like on box o truth http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14.htm



roughly 1 inch of wall board penetrated
Would reaching someones vitals require more penetration than an equivalent 1 inch in wall board?
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Old August 22, 2006, 04:10 PM   #3
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I always wonder about "the rest of the story" when people say they are going to use Buckshot because it can go through walls. Consquently they pick some sort of bird shot.
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Old August 22, 2006, 04:37 PM   #4
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Would reaching someones vitals require more penetration than an equivalent 1 inch in wall board?
Yes! IIRC 12 inches is the vitals standard in ballistic gelatin. Birdshot is for birds. Check out #1 Buck for inside the house.

Realistically, if it will do damage to the vitals, it probably will go through more than 2 sheets of drywall.
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Old August 22, 2006, 04:43 PM   #5
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IIRC, Hatcher's Notebook indicated that the Army considered anything that would punch through 3/4 inch plywood to be "dangerous". Have not tried plywood v. birdshot, but having killed airbreathing critters with birdshot, it will work at (!!!) very close range - like in my bedroom.
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Old August 22, 2006, 05:12 PM   #6
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Sorry to straighten you out but shot comes in various sizes not just 'bird ' or 'buck' . Ability to penetrate depends on the size of the shot .So are you talking about #9, #4 #1 Buck, 00 Buck ?? For what I have available I'd grab BB steel goose loads or 00 Buck .I wouldn't trust anything smaller to stop the BG which is the prime objective !!!
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Old August 22, 2006, 05:51 PM   #7
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The exit hole was a lathe an plaster. Much harder but might be a little more brittle. So it might have a tendency to shatter as opposed to drywall that seems to me would be harder to penetrate. Drywall is more dense but softer, imo.

And what does IIRC mean?
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Old August 22, 2006, 06:21 PM   #8
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if I recall correctlly
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Old August 22, 2006, 08:07 PM   #9
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Yep.
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Old August 22, 2006, 08:47 PM   #10
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talk about negligent discharge, this came up as a recommended vid from one of the OP's recommended vids.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvoABe8sBzk&NR
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Old August 22, 2006, 08:54 PM   #11
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There are two untruths connected with shotguns for home defense. Both have been stated as fact by gunzine writers.

The first is that if you use bird shot [7 1/2, say], you can take out an intruder without any danger to anyone else in the house because the shot won't penetrate a wall.

The second is that by using bird shot you "fill the room with a cloud of shot" that can't possibly miss.

We have seen the first myth "busted." As for the "cloud of shot", a normal shot spread is about 1" for each yard. So at three yards, or 9 feet, the pattern is about 3" in diameter, hardly a spread that "can't miss."

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Old August 22, 2006, 10:04 PM   #12
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As any serious shooter can attest to,, there just ain't no wall of shot and you are pretty close on the spreads depending on the choke. I just don't know where all the myths come from, certainly not from anybody that knows anything factual
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Old August 23, 2006, 04:26 PM   #13
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I have seen what birdshot does to gangbangers. Not pretty.
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Old August 23, 2006, 04:42 PM   #14
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Can you give details?

Shot size, distance, outcome?

Point of impact, lethality, stopping power?
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Old August 23, 2006, 04:52 PM   #15
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two shots. center mass. judging from pattern, w/in 10'
chest, shoulders contained many entry holes. No details on exit wounds,if any.
Guy lived. The a*sholes always live.
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Old August 24, 2006, 07:36 PM   #16
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anyone used/seen this?

http://www.safetydisc.com/images/shell.jpeg
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Old August 24, 2006, 10:20 PM   #17
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I like the concept of the safety disc, but I wouldn't dare trust it unless I could really test it out and make sure it will really work well.
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Old August 25, 2006, 05:00 AM   #18
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two shots, center mass, from about 10' away. guy lived.

I would like to see 2 shots, center mass, #1, 0, 00, 000 buck from about 10' away and see anyone walk away from that!!!


i do beleive that most all the time any hit from a shotgun is going to stop someone, not so much by a physiological standpoint but by the realization by them that holy $#@%#!~!! i just got shot in the chest with a shotgun.

However being that we cant rely on them having any sense, especially since they put themselves in such a situation they got shot....you are going to have to go for rapid blood loss/disruption of the nervous system. Thing i would not rely on small birdshot doing.

saftey disk is definitly interesting though i am doubtful, until i see what it can do.

the video above, w/ the guys shooting in the wedding...all i have to say is and they should all be in jail!!!!
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Old August 25, 2006, 05:06 AM   #19
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on second look of that saftey disk, those things are so light vs surface area the penetration has to be extremely low.
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Old August 26, 2006, 06:29 PM   #20
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Best SD loads??

I don't know what anyone else uses, but when in a situation where you have to shoot, over penetration is not on my mind, I like #4 buck myself. If that won't stop someone center mass (improved cylinder), I will have very little faith left in my 12, and trade it in for a LAW...
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