Von Lengerke & Detmold, the Knock-About

[email protected] · December 12, 2004, 06:04 PM

I have received from my father-in-law a Von Lengerke & Detmold, shotgun side by side, model: the Knock-About gun S/N 81111. Is there any source for ageing or other information on this gun?

Erich · December 12, 2004, 08:32 PM

I remember the old VL& A (& Antoine?) brand. If you can't find anything out about it, email me and I can get in touch with a friend who knows about it - he's a big shotgun guy and a friend of his owned the marque when it folded.

**4V50 Gary** · December 12, 2004, 11:35 PM

Heck, they use to import Broomhandle Mausers long before my parents were born.

Harley Nolden · December 13, 2004, 05:25 AM

Here is what I have on the gun. Taken from SXS's of the world 2K by Charles Carder.

HJN

Erich · December 13, 2004, 11:28 AM

Here's what my friend had to say:

"Von Lengerke & Detmold was a high end sporting goods importer and retailer in New York with a sister outlet in Chicago named Von Lengerke & Antoine. They both sold out to Abercrombie & Fitch about 1930. The firearm he wants to know about is probably a middle grade British "midlands" Birmingham mfg. The proof-marks on the water table and barrel flats would tell a lot.

So, what are the proofs?

fal308 · December 13, 2004, 02:51 PM

By proofs he means proofmarks. These are makers marks and safely testing marks. They should be on the barrels near the breech end (on the watertable), under the forearm.

Erich · December 13, 2004, 03:06 PM

Right, what he said, if I wasn't clear.

December 12, 2004, 06:04 PM	#1
[email protected] Junior Member Join Date: December 12, 2004 Posts: 1	Von Lengerke & Detmold, the Knock-About I have received from my father-in-law a Von Lengerke & Detmold, shotgun side by side, model: the Knock-About gun S/N 81111. Is there any source for ageing or other information on this gun?

December 12, 2004, 11:35 PM	#3
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,832	Heck, they use to import Broomhandle Mausers long before my parents were born. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

December 12, 2004, 08:32 PM	#2
Erich Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 1999 Location: Albuquerque, NM, USA Posts: 2,543	I remember the old VL& A (& Antoine?) brand. If you can't find anything out about it, email me and I can get in touch with a friend who knows about it - he's a big shotgun guy and a friend of his owned the marque when it folded.

December 13, 2004, 11:28 AM	#5
Erich Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 1999 Location: Albuquerque, NM, USA Posts: 2,543	Here's what my friend had to say: "Von Lengerke & Detmold was a high end sporting goods importer and retailer in New York with a sister outlet in Chicago named Von Lengerke & Antoine. They both sold out to Abercrombie & Fitch about 1930. The firearm he wants to know about is probably a middle grade British "midlands" Birmingham mfg. The proof-marks on the water table and barrel flats would tell a lot. So, what are the proofs?

December 13, 2004, 02:51 PM	#6
fal308 Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 12, 1998 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,992	By proofs he means proofmarks. These are makers marks and safely testing marks. They should be on the barrels near the breech end (on the watertable), under the forearm.

December 13, 2004, 03:06 PM	#7
Erich Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 1999 Location: Albuquerque, NM, USA Posts: 2,543	Right, what he said, if I wasn't clear.