I got it! SWAT arrives

Spectre · August 7, 2001, 04:41 PM

I received my first issue of SWAT today.

Woohoo! Looking at the cover (showing the Robinson M-96) gave me the impression that maybe George Hill was on the staff now.

The timing was unfortunate- since I had to leave for work shortly afterward- but I did have long enough to see some good articles on: the MAT French subgun, a comparison on old and current .50 rifles, an article on fighting with a shotgun, and (my favorite of what I could see in a hurried perusal) an article about the M1 Carbine.

The article was written by Leroy Thompson, who I enjoy reading anyway, and restated the reasons why the M1 Carbine was, and is, a viable choice for a fighting rifle.

New TFL member Pat Rogers has an article that is obviously information packed, and I know it alone will be worth the purchase price of this mag.

I am very happy with what I see.

Thanks, Rich! Thanks, Denny!

George Hill · August 7, 2001, 07:52 PM

psst... I told you the M-96 was good...

Spectre · August 7, 2001, 08:35 PM

Heh. I haven't had a chance to read the article yet, but I thought of you, first thing.

sgoeing · August 8, 2001, 02:06 PM

Looks like it has some great articles in it. Haven't had a chance to read any of them yet. I had to come brag first.
Gotta Go
Michael Goeing

Jeff White · August 8, 2001, 02:57 PM

Wonder when I'm going to get mine?

I couldn't even buy the last one locally after Rich took over. Maybe I'll have to call the Post Office

Jeff

George Hill · August 8, 2001, 03:55 PM

Don't read it, man... don't read it!

If you read it you will want one very badly...
My issue just came today and it pretty much said everything I have been saying about it for 2 years now.

Spectre · August 8, 2001, 04:21 PM

I read all of SWAT last night.

It is now my favorite magazine.

I rate this issue as at least 2x as good as the last SWAT I read, a few months ago.

And I noticed who wrote the LED/key article.

George Hill · August 9, 2001, 01:36 AM

Who is this Leroy Thompson guy?
This guy is a living breathing Firearms Museum. He has an article in dang near EVERY gun rag I have ever picked up... and in this issue he has two. LT writes his stuff about guns you will probably never get a chance to see - Like the MAT 49... and there he is shootin the heck out of it and writing about it.
(The guy looks just like my Dad - but my Daddy isnt interested in SMGs and such... just silenced .22s )
Now in this one he reviews that French thing and then the M1 Carbine.
He writes very well and is very accurate in his reviews... Probably one of the best gun writers on the block next to Ed Sanow. Good stuff.

I do have one biatch about this issue. In the M96 Article there is a photo of AR Magazines... 2 sizes. Laying not on an M96... but on a "CROSSFIRE"! For the love of all that is holy!!! A Crossfire?
I can understand using another picture for the purpuse - but the Crossfire? Why not a giant grizzly bear [color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color]?
If you can not tell - I hate the Crossfire and whoever designed that POS needs to get a spanking by a couple very large austrailian women.

Jessica Wellman · August 9, 2001, 08:06 AM

We got our first issue yesterday. Everyone at the shop read it throughout the day. Of course I had to casually mention at least 150 times that I knew the publisher.

**Rich Lucibella** · August 9, 2001, 08:10 AM

Well, this really bites!
Where's my copy?!!
Rich

duck hunt · August 9, 2001, 09:31 AM

You haven't gotten one?

That's pretty rich, Rich!

I posted a blurb and a link to the website from my online journal. I got an inquiry as to when Shin Tao would be posing for the cover and a comment from some guy I've never heard of (why is he reading my journal?) saying "I've only played the third one and I didn't think it was good enough to warrant its own magazine." Huh? It took some real head-scratching before I figured out he's talking about some video game called "SWAT."

George Hill · August 9, 2001, 11:54 AM

Shin on the Cover? Naw... How about Duck Hunt in an Ad in the back pages?

Other than the Crossfoul in an otherwise great article - this magazine rocks.

Denny Hansen · August 9, 2001, 12:00 PM

Have not received my copy yet either!

Jeff White · August 9, 2001, 12:56 PM

Here I was starting to get worried that my mailman had absconded with my issue and I find that the publisher and editor haven't received theirs yet. Guess I'll wait a couple days before talking with the mailman

Jeff

twoblink · August 9, 2001, 01:35 PM

Duck Hunt, let me know if you are going to be on the cover, and I'll buy a dozen... :-)

Albert

Point Blank · August 9, 2001, 01:44 PM

I just retreived mine from the mailbox.Dam postman folded it around my many bills,then crammed it in there like it was his last stop on his route and his mind on a cold one!!!

I will be waitin on his butt tommorrow!!

B9mmHP · August 9, 2001, 02:52 PM

I got mine yesterday, finished reading it, bout an hour ago. I enjoyed it very much. I have never thought much about tatics, equipment and such before, other than some reading I have done on sniper traning on a CD from US Military manuals.

Reading this made me realize that Survival for many of us civilians "should the SHTF" would not be to good, if the UN comes to take our guns, most of us wouldn`t last 5 Min. I think it would make since that we all need to know the basics.

George, how much does that M96 cost? And do they have or have plans to make it in .308?

**Rich Lucibella** · August 9, 2001, 07:52 PM

I COULD JUST SPIT!!!!!!!

Our Ad Sales People we're asked in time for the July issue to remove the girly ads from the magazine. I just received October:
"Asian Beauties Worldwide"
"Free PartyLine"
"Armed Legged and Dangerous"
"Pleasure Dome"
"Solid Brass Knuckles"

Rich
[Homicidal rant deleted along with certain replies. Apologies to all. We'll handle the problem and report back. Did somebody say, Think Twice, Post Once"?]

JackC · August 9, 2001, 08:23 PM

I ordered my M96 last week and I owe it all to great advice from guys like you all! I hope my order gets processed before everyone reads "SWAT" and decides to buy one. Man, the wait will be at LEAST 5-6 months if Robinson keeps getting this great press. Maybe now they can go full-speed-ahead with the Belt Feed and 9mm conversion.

I ordered my VEPRII .223 last week too so...

Thanks everyone,
Jack from Maine

deanf · August 9, 2001, 10:14 PM

I didn't see "http://thefiringline.com/" anywhere in the magazine.

Maybe that's a good thing . . . ?

and if only that M96 came in .308 Win.

Byron Quick · August 9, 2001, 11:58 PM

Rich,

Was that a hint? Tell us how you really feel

George Hill · August 10, 2001, 03:00 AM

Suggested Retail for the M96 is $1599US. Kinda steep - but you do get what you pay for. I have seen them as low as 1200 on a few rare occasions.

I've fired several examples as all were 100% reliable, and just plain fine rifles.
The only .223 autorifle in this class is the HK SL8 series for the same money. The draw back on the HK is that it is stuck with goofy 10 round magazines while the M96 can use any AR type magazine.
I recomend Thermold or Orlites as USGI mags are aluminum and can get screwed up. In any autloader, your weapon is only as reliable as your magazine...

August 7, 2001, 04:41 PM	#1
Spectre Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 23, 1998 Location: ATL Posts: 3,277	I got it! SWAT arrives I received my first issue of SWAT today. Woohoo! Looking at the cover (showing the Robinson M-96) gave me the impression that maybe George Hill was on the staff now. The timing was unfortunate- since I had to leave for work shortly afterward- but I did have long enough to see some good articles on: the MAT French subgun, a comparison on old and current .50 rifles, an article on fighting with a shotgun, and (my favorite of what I could see in a hurried perusal) an article about the M1 Carbine. The article was written by Leroy Thompson, who I enjoy reading anyway, and restated the reasons why the M1 Carbine was, and is, a viable choice for a fighting rifle. New TFL member Pat Rogers has an article that is obviously information packed, and I know it alone will be worth the purchase price of this mag. I am very happy with what I see. Thanks, Rich! Thanks, Denny!

August 7, 2001, 07:52 PM	#2
George Hill Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 14, 1998 Location: North Carolina Posts: 11,546	psst... I told you the M-96 was good... __________________ MAD OGRE

August 8, 2001, 02:06 PM	#4
sgoeing Senior Member Join Date: November 6, 2000 Posts: 136	October issue of SWAT magazine just arrived!!!!! Looks like it has some great articles in it. Haven't had a chance to read any of them yet. I had to come brag first. Gotta Go Michael Goeing

August 8, 2001, 03:55 PM	#6
George Hill Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 14, 1998 Location: North Carolina Posts: 11,546	Don't read it, man... don't read it! If you read it you will want one very badly... My issue just came today and it pretty much said everything I have been saying about it for 2 years now. __________________ MAD OGRE

August 9, 2001, 01:36 AM	#8
George Hill Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 14, 1998 Location: North Carolina Posts: 11,546	Who is this Leroy Thompson guy? This guy is a living breathing Firearms Museum. He has an article in dang near EVERY gun rag I have ever picked up... and in this issue he has two. LT writes his stuff about guns you will probably never get a chance to see - Like the MAT 49... and there he is shootin the heck out of it and writing about it. (The guy looks just like my Dad - but my Daddy isnt interested in SMGs and such... just silenced .22s ) Now in this one he reviews that French thing and then the M1 Carbine. He writes very well and is very accurate in his reviews... Probably one of the best gun writers on the block next to Ed Sanow. Good stuff. I do have one biatch about this issue. In the M96 Article there is a photo of AR Magazines... 2 sizes. Laying not on an M96... but on a "CROSSFIRE"! For the love of all that is holy!!! A Crossfire? I can understand using another picture for the purpuse - but the Crossfire? Why not a giant grizzly bear [color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color]? If you can not tell - I hate the Crossfire and whoever designed that POS needs to get a spanking by a couple very large austrailian women. __________________ MAD OGRE

August 7, 2001, 08:35 PM	#3
Spectre Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 23, 1998 Location: ATL Posts: 3,277	Heh. I haven't had a chance to read the article yet, but I thought of you, first thing.

August 8, 2001, 02:57 PM	#5
Jeff White Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1998 Location: Kinmundy, IL, USA Posts: 1,397	Wonder when I'm going to get mine? I couldn't even buy the last one locally after Rich took over. Maybe I'll have to call the Post Office Jeff

August 8, 2001, 04:21 PM	#7
Spectre Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 23, 1998 Location: ATL Posts: 3,277	I read all of SWAT last night. It is now my favorite magazine. I rate this issue as at least 2x as good as the last SWAT I read, a few months ago. And I noticed who wrote the LED/key article.

August 9, 2001, 08:06 AM	#9
Jessica Wellman Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 1999 Location: Corydon, Indiana Posts: 423	We got our first issue yesterday. Everyone at the shop read it throughout the day. Of course I had to casually mention at least 150 times that I knew the publisher. __________________ MPS Forum Dot Com- An Internet Gathering Place for Children & Families with MPS/ML Disorders

August 9, 2001, 08:10 AM	#10
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,229	Well, this really bites! Where's my copy?!! Rich __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

August 9, 2001, 09:31 AM	#11
duck hunt Senior Member Join Date: February 6, 2000 Posts: 481	You haven't gotten one? That's pretty rich, Rich! I posted a blurb and a link to the website from my online journal. I got an inquiry as to when Shin Tao would be posing for the cover and a comment from some guy I've never heard of (why is he reading my journal?) saying "I've only played the third one and I didn't think it was good enough to warrant its own magazine." Huh? It took some real head-scratching before I figured out he's talking about some video game called "SWAT." __________________ quack ~~~ Read my book! Snake Hips -- in stores now!

August 9, 2001, 11:54 AM	#12
George Hill Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 14, 1998 Location: North Carolina Posts: 11,546	Shin on the Cover? Naw... How about Duck Hunt in an Ad in the back pages? Other than the Crossfoul in an otherwise great article - this magazine rocks. __________________ MAD OGRE

August 9, 2001, 12:00 PM	#13
Denny Hansen Staff Emeritus Join Date: June 29, 2001 Location: Prescott Valley, AZ Posts: 2,422	Have not received my copy yet either! __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

August 9, 2001, 12:56 PM	#14
Jeff White Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1998 Location: Kinmundy, IL, USA Posts: 1,397	I Don't Feel So Bad Now..... Here I was starting to get worried that my mailman had absconded with my issue and I find that the publisher and editor haven't received theirs yet. Guess I'll wait a couple days before talking with the mailman Jeff

August 9, 2001, 01:35 PM	#15
twoblink Senior Member Join Date: December 22, 1999 Location: Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 2,025	Duck Hunt, let me know if you are going to be on the cover, and I'll buy a dozen... :-) Albert

August 9, 2001, 01:44 PM	#16
Point Blank Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2000 Location: Armpit of the South...Atlanta Posts: 516	I just retreived mine from the mailbox.Dam postman folded it around my many bills,then crammed it in there like it was his last stop on his route and his mind on a cold one!!! I will be waitin on his butt tommorrow!!

August 9, 2001, 02:52 PM	#17
B9mmHP Senior Member Join Date: February 2, 2000 Location: Texas Posts: 465	I got mine yesterday, finished reading it, bout an hour ago. I enjoyed it very much. I have never thought much about tatics, equipment and such before, other than some reading I have done on sniper traning on a CD from US Military manuals. Reading this made me realize that Survival for many of us civilians "should the SHTF" would not be to good, if the UN comes to take our guns, most of us wouldn`t last 5 Min. I think it would make since that we all need to know the basics. George, how much does that M96 cost? And do they have or have plans to make it in .308?

August 9, 2001, 07:52 PM	#18
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,229	I COULD JUST SPIT!!!!!!! Our Ad Sales People we're asked in time for the July issue to remove the girly ads from the magazine. I just received October: "Asian Beauties Worldwide" "Free PartyLine" "Armed Legged and Dangerous" "Pleasure Dome" "Solid Brass Knuckles" Rich [Homicidal rant deleted along with certain replies. Apologies to all. We'll handle the problem and report back. Did somebody say, Think Twice, Post Once"?] __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook Last edited by Rich Lucibella; August 10, 2001 at 07:54 AM.

August 9, 2001, 08:23 PM	#19
JackC Junior Member Join Date: June 25, 2001 Location: Maine Posts: 13	M96 I ordered my M96 last week and I owe it all to great advice from guys like you all! I hope my order gets processed before everyone reads "SWAT" and decides to buy one. Man, the wait will be at LEAST 5-6 months if Robinson keeps getting this great press. Maybe now they can go full-speed-ahead with the Belt Feed and 9mm conversion. I ordered my VEPRII .223 last week too so... Thanks everyone, Jack from Maine __________________ Jack from Maine (just north of Mao-tse-chusetts)

August 9, 2001, 10:14 PM	#20
deanf Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 1999 Location: N47º 12’ x W122º 10' Posts: 1,599	I didn't see "http://thefiringline.com/" anywhere in the magazine. Maybe that's a good thing . . . ? and if only that M96 came in .308 Win. __________________ I'm a constitutional fetishist. Airplane Pictures

August 9, 2001, 11:58 PM	#21
Byron Quick Staff In Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Waynesboro, Georgia, USA Posts: 2,361	Rich, Was that a hint? Tell us how you really feel

August 10, 2001, 03:00 AM	#22
George Hill Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 14, 1998 Location: North Carolina Posts: 11,546	Suggested Retail for the M96 is $1599US. Kinda steep - but you do get what you pay for. I have seen them as low as 1200 on a few rare occasions. I've fired several examples as all were 100% reliable, and just plain fine rifles. The only .223 autorifle in this class is the HK SL8 series for the same money. The draw back on the HK is that it is stuck with goofy 10 round magazines while the M96 can use any AR type magazine. I recomend Thermold or Orlites as USGI mags are aluminum and can get screwed up. In any autloader, your weapon is only as reliable as your magazine... __________________ MAD OGRE

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