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Old July 1, 2013, 02:01 AM   #26
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Post 24, US military service members...

I disagree with post #24.
They 2 US Army officers(helicopter) pilots were not "targeted" but if they were able to carry authorized or approved sidearms maybe they could have defended themselves.
In the UK & other NATO nations, members of the armed forces are allowed to carry weapons off duty or on leave.

Andy McNab, the former SAS commando and counter-terrorist specialist wrote in his non fiction books how he toted a "disco" gun or a small compact he could wear in a nightclub. McNab wrote that he used a Walther PPK .380acp.

In the book; American Sniper, the late Chris Kyle, the US Navy SEAL, wrote about how a woman felt his concealed pistol in his jacket at a wedding & asked him to keep an eye on the guests, .

As stated, new DoD & DA(US Dept of the Army) policy is more strict about personal weapons(firearms). I think a middle ground could be met, where qualified service members can own or possess firearms & be IAW any post SOPs.
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Old July 2, 2013, 08:32 AM   #27
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You already need to be a veteran to get a job(OK, so it is only that an employer gets huge subsidies for hiring a veteran). Why not just make veteran status a requirement for voting?

Giving active military and veterans rights not extended to civilians has only been a tactic used by almost every historic government on a campaign to smother freedom.

I love the "highly qualified professional" blanket and how it covers anyone in the military, police, or in some minds medical first responders. We all know there are some VERY skilled military and police officers and even some very skilled fire and EMTs, but, for the most part, the general training offered to such professionals does not qualify them as skilled with small arms. I have a family member who's entire small arms training in the Navy was firing one magazine off an aircraft carrier's deck in the general direction of a buoy(Aircraft electronics technician). I am acquainted with an Air Force engineer who had more evasive driving training than small arms training(which made sense in his position). People seem to be unable to accept that over half the military is support.

On the other side of the spectrum I shoot/have shot in local informal competitions with several active and retired LEO/.mil who were very skilled. WAY WAY WAY past where I was even when shooting a pistol, rifle and shotgun event every week. Some of them got there with gov training, but most did it on their own dime. As budgets shrink I imagine the latter will become even more common.

I do not like the idea of qualifying someone based on a DD 214 or even active service.
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Old July 2, 2013, 07:34 PM   #28
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I'm active military and would have to agree with some of the others and say this is the wrong way to go.

My service does not make me better or more deserving of rights. It would, however, be great to see EVERYONE (non-felons) get the SAME rights.

No special groups, no "separate but equal" business in relation to guns.
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