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Old April 7, 2013, 08:42 PM   #1
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FIX BAYONETS! What happens to your accuracy.

Though ammo is tight right now, I thought I'd try this. Always wondered what a bayonet does to POI.

Took my 1943 M1, its 1953 bayonet and some 1969 Lake City. I took up the prone position with sling.

At 100 yds, I shot 4" 5 rd grps witout bayonet and with. The grp with bayonet was 2" left of the one without.

Didn't try more range because the terrain didn't favor long, prone shots.

2" left is quite OK. 100 yds is about the range for "Fix Bayonets!"
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Old April 7, 2013, 09:24 PM   #2
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Yep, Mosins have a tendency to shift like 6-8'' from bayonets left and right, it actually makes a big difference.
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Old April 8, 2013, 02:58 PM   #3
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Accurate shooting rifle by design,smithing or luck repeat the vibrations generated by firing. Adding the bayonet changes the harmonics of the system. Predicting whether it would improve accuracy or not would be difficult but it is likely there would be a change.
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Old April 8, 2013, 07:05 PM   #4
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The Garand Collectors Magazine had an article a while back where they tested different rifles with and without bayonets.

No thinks, if I'm going to shoot I'll leave the bayonet in the scabbard.
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Old April 16, 2013, 12:58 PM   #5
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Bayonets in modern warfare are just used for close up stuff anyway, before clearing a compound or enemy Position you fix bayonets, nobody just patrols with them on anymore. So in a CQB situation where a bayonet might be needed, shooting distances are likely to be much closer, a matter of feet as opposed to hundreds of yards. And long distance work is carried out by designated marksmen, i.e. Snipers and they would definitely not have a bayonet. So in short, if they do have a negative impact on accuracy at long range, it really wouldn't matter too much.
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Old April 18, 2013, 06:38 AM   #6
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Here's a twist: If the bayonet is affixed to a lug on the stock as opposed to the barrel, will there be a change in POI? A la SMLE?

I really don't know, but am interested if anybody knows.
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Old April 18, 2013, 07:46 AM   #7
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Stubbi: The bayonet adds weight or density to the point of contact, so yes, it does affect accuracy -- at least in theory. Practically it is a non factor as the bayonet would not be affixed for longer range shooting.
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Old April 18, 2013, 08:06 PM   #8
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Jim Page, IF the bayonet is attached to the stock, and does not touch or cause any other part to touch, the barrel, does one still notice a difference?
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