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Old March 17, 2013, 05:43 PM   #26
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+P loadings nowadays are the standard loadings 75 years ago. Ammo used to be loaded a lot hotter in pre suefest days. All you have to do is look at Elmer Keith's loading data in the day.
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Old March 17, 2013, 09:32 PM   #27
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How come they don't make a 38 S&W + P aka 38/200 + P. I mean, someone would need the MORE POWER advantage for their 100 year old revolver, right?
Way to many old top break S&W, Iver Johnson's, H&R's, and such out there that really ARE over 100 years old.

Sure I'd love to see for my 3 inch Webley and 4 inch Colt Bankers for them to make a hotter .38 S&W round but I know there are many old cheep top break guns that might blow with such loads.

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Old March 17, 2013, 09:54 PM   #28
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Ammo used to be loaded a lot hotter in pre suefest days.
I'd sure like to see some citations or tangible evidence of all of the lawsuits having to do with over-pressure ammunition that folks have been flipping as a "reason" for years and years.

Much more likely is that serious advancement in actual pressure measuring well beyond the old copper crusher methods are employed today that give ballisticians real proof of what is happening with these loads than a lot of the black magic of the past.

History is a wonderful thing and it has gotten us where we are, but it's a lazy generalization to claim that everything was "great in the old days" and has been mucked up by lawyers today.
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