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Old November 27, 2012, 11:55 PM   #1
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Any S&W 642 Airweights being produced w/o cylinder lock?

I've been told that these are still available, but I have yet to see a new one anywhere since I decided to buy a CCW a year ago. As a matter of fact, I haven't seen hardly any 642's with the lock at my LGS either. Bud's Guns has been sold out of them every time I check.

This is the gun I originally wanted but couldn't find when I was ready to buy, so after some research I decided on a LCR .38spl instead. I don't regret that decision, as the LCR has really grown on me, even though I was highly upset at first once I realized that it too had a cylinder lock under the grip. My fault, I should have done my homework.

Still, I'd like to get the popular little 642 anyway. It never hurts to have two CCW snubbies, if one get stolen, confiscated, in the shop, etc. At this point I'll take the version with the stupid cylinder lock, but does anyone know if they will be producing more without them?
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Old November 28, 2012, 12:15 AM   #2
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As of Jan 2012 the 442 Pro series (Uses Moon clips) is a new manufacture that is WITH OUT the internal lock

EDIT - another 10 seconds and I could have said... a non moon clip version also.. just a little searching on the S&W site.



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Old November 28, 2012, 02:34 AM   #3
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Yup, saw a SS model (looking for black ) MFG-DATE 10-2012. 442 S&W
Has Taurus really spent more on shipping customers their firearms back to them than actual sales?
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Old November 28, 2012, 02:46 AM   #4
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Yup have seen no lock 642 guns in the shops and have a no lock 640 pro that I just purchased.

Most small smiths are hit or miss for finding them as demand outsells current supply. Not horribly but you will have to hunt around
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Old November 28, 2012, 09:24 AM   #5
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They also make a version of the M&P 340 w. a steel cylinder and front night sight w. no lock. That's a .357 of course but a lot of people just carry .38 +p in them anyway...

Price is not that much more than the 442 pro series if you shop around (once you factor in $50-60 for a front night sight).
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Old November 28, 2012, 01:57 PM   #6
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Last I heard, the 642 was still pretty much the most popular selling revolver being made by S&W.

Heavy demand probably makes their production runs go quickly.

Then, you might have to consider whatever rotation schedule they use for production of the various models, and how it might limit availability of any particular model at times throughout the year.

I remember when I wanted to pick up one of the M&P 340's just being made without the ILS (to complement my existing M&P 340 with the ILS, made from their first production run & release). When I called to get an armorer price, the fellow on the phone had me wait while he checked to see if a recent production run of them had been done, or how long it might be until another one was scheduled. Fortunately for me, they has some in-stock that hadn't yet been shipped to a distributor.

Before that, when I wanted to pick up a second 642-1 (since I liked my original production 642-1 so much ), I also called S&W to get a price. That time, however, I was told that they had none left in their vaults, having sold all of the first few thousand of them they'd made in that first "new" production run of 642-1's (made from old frame stock, gathering dust in their parts vault). They gave me the names of a couple of the distributors to whom they'd sold most of those 642-1's, and I had a S&W LE distributor call around and finally locate one for me.

FWIW, without wanting to get too involved in a debate of the lock v. no lock Centennials (which has been debated ad nauseam in this and other internet forums), even though I own a pair of M&P 340's with & without the lock, the one I've been shooting the most ... and seem to carry the most ... is the M&P 340 made with the lock. Go figure.

It replaced my original, well-used 642-1 as my primary "range beater" J-frame, so it's seen a fair amount of use. I've also used it as a "practice" gun as a S&W revolver armorer.

As much as I like my 642-1 Airweights, I look at the M&P 340 as an "improved" 642. I liked the stronger Scandium aluminum frame, the blackened stainless steel cylinder (PVD coated) and the front XS night sight (with the generous U-shaped rear notch made for the round front night sight). The sight set is especially neat on the M&P 340. I presently own 7-frames, and that M&P's XS front sight, with its bright white plastic ring, is easily the fastest & most easily picked up front sight during rapid shot strings of aimed shots. Especially for my aging eyes.

The fact that it's chambered in .357 Magnum was nice, but not the reason I bought it. If they'd have been making a .38 +P Only version at the time ... (which they later reportedly made at the request of LAPD, for optional use as an approved secondary/off-duty weapon, with the ILS/lock, BTW) ... I'd have bought the .38 Spl version.
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Old November 28, 2012, 09:28 PM   #7
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I waited for 6 months for my local dealer to get a 642 no lock. Then one day he called having took in a minty used one that I bought. He still never got any from Smith, going on 8 months.
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Old November 29, 2012, 03:44 PM   #8
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I picked up a non-lock 642-1 earlier this year back in the March/April timeframe. Ended up buying it online as my main gunshop had none in stock at the time. To my dismay the first 642 I was sent had the lock! The seller did make things right.
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Old November 29, 2012, 07:07 PM   #9
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I waited for 6 months for my local dealer to get a 642 no lock. Then one day he called having took in a minty used one that I bought. He still never got any from Smith, going on 8 months.
I put in a request for one w/o the lock, new or used, at one of local LGS six months ago. I never heard back from them.

I found out that the Gander Mountain in my area are expecting to get some 642's this week, but I strongly suspect they will all have the locks. They are selling them for $449 but with a $50 mail in rebate the price is actually $399.

Kind of pricey, but I may have to break down if I want one, as I can't find any in my area regardless whether they have locks or not.

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Old November 30, 2012, 01:34 AM   #10
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The 642s have been available without a lock since 2008. I bought one that year and have had it since.

The 442s without the lock became available sometime after that. I picked one up a few months ago.

Bud's usually has them , but is currently sold out. Here is a link to their listing:

Seriously, if I couldn't get a no-lock 642, I'd buy something else before I got the one with that ugly lock. Maybe something like this because it gets good reviews:
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Old December 1, 2012, 04:55 PM   #11
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When I bought my 640 Pro last year I spoke with the LE rep. He said that if you find what you want you better buy it as Smith cannot keep up with orders.

A 442 Pro is on my short list.
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Old December 1, 2012, 05:03 PM   #12
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Smith cannot keep up with orders
Yup, that's why we got the 340; initially it was supposed to be a 442 Pro and we were told from our LE dealer that Smith was getting back-ordered on everything and it would likely be 8 months until they'd get their next shipment of them (they had 1 regular 442, but ILS...)

Tis the way things are these days and if you think Smith is getting backed up, try Ruger or Colt...
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