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Old November 9, 2012, 11:58 AM   #26
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For my 300 Win. Mag Browning A-Bolt with a 26 inch barrel

This rifle I nearly gave up on due to a short magazine issue that was keeping me away from being able to seat bullets to published coal specs and accuracy was only being achieved by "single loading" due to excess bullet jump to the lands if cartridges were seated to fit the magazine. A Barnes TSX bullet solved this for me due to the "long jump" preference of these bullets.

73.0 gr. IMR4350 ( .5 gr. under max per Barnes , see footnote at bottom )
Federal 215M primer
Federal Premium case ( nickle )
3.365 coal with moderate Lee crimp using FCD die
3,225 fps chronographed with 13 fps standard deviation
sub MOA @ 200 yds. ( just barely )

Load data for the Barnes "grooved" bullets tend to have higher max load limits than loads published for other "non grooved" bullets by such as Hodgdon as the "grooved" bullets tend to create lower pressures due to a reduced amount of load bearing surface contact between the bullet and the bore.

A Lee factory crimp die was used with a moderate pressure as the bullet coal is 0.015 in. less than the inside dimension of the magazine. No feeding problems have occured and none are wanted therefore we crimp.

This load I have nick named "Thors' Hammer" as it anchors deer and elk . The Barnes is without a doubt one "MAJOR BAD BOY" in terminal performance !
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Old November 9, 2012, 12:54 PM   #27
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.357 mag : 5.0g Red Dot under 158g SWC.

.44Spec : 7.5g Unique/Universal under 240g SWC (works very well in all my specials)
Note : The above Skeeter load is NOT for use in .44Spec CA Bulldog

.44Mag : 10.0g Unique under 240g SWC (works very well in both my .44Mags)

still working on .45 Colt favorite loads but over the last few years :
.45Colt : 20.0g of IMR 4227 under 255g SWC (mag CCI primer)
.45Colt : 7.0g Green Dot under 250g RNFP

.45ACP : 5.0g Bullseye under 200g TC
Note : I've only shot this in revolvers as I don't have a slab-sides pistol.

As mentioned above ... this work fine in my guns. YMMV. Always double check before using loads found on-line.
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Old November 9, 2012, 01:12 PM   #28
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Only sharing two, My 45 likes 4.6 gr of bullseye behind a 230 gr LSWC. My .308 isn't as fussy but I do really well with 43.6 gr of 4350 behind 180 gr Core-lokt bullets. I could load it hotter but 1 1/2 at 200 yards is good enough for me, I can't shoot any better than that no matter what load I used.
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Old November 9, 2012, 01:30 PM   #29
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On the other hand, it's undeniable that carefully crafted ammo will almost always be better than generic factory ammo. Still though, carefully crafted ammo that is specific to a guns twist rate and free-bore will probably be better than carefully crafted ammo that's NOT tailored to the gun, if the gun is as I mentioned chambered in a cartridge which has a less standardized setup.
I had a 7mm that a not only carefully crafted, checked the free bore and set it tighter than factory did.

Ok, but it never shot all that well (1.5 at 100)

One day I was headed out for a hunt way up North and it was "oh ****, no rounds loaded up". Screw it, down to the store, Federal Premium on sale in the right gr bullet, down to the range.

Damn, these things shoot better than my hand-loads!.

After that, I just bought them. Sometimes for the mission it just doesn't pay (and yes I am still reloading, I like it and get better resutls mostly, but for that once a year hunt where it doesn't matter than much between 3/4 MOA and 2 inches, factory is fine!
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Old November 14, 2012, 12:01 AM   #30
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222 Rem: WW brass, match prepped, RP 7 1/2, 21.0 of RL7, Speer 50 grain sp, 2.130"
222 Rem, brass the same, CCI 400, 24.0 of BLC2, Speer 52 grain original HP, 2.130"
270 Win, WW brass, 52.0 of H414/WW760, WLR primer, 130 Hornady Interlock, light crimp in cannelure
30/06; WW brass, CCI 200, 54.0 of H414/WW760, RP 150 SPCL, light crimp in cannelure
30/06; brass the same, same primer, 52.5 of H414/WW760, Hornady 165 Interlock flatbase
30/06; RP brass, RP 9 1/2, 47.0 of IMR 4320, Hornady 165 BTSP
30/06; RP brass, RP 9 1/2, 47.0 of IMR 4064, Hornady 180 BTSP
300 Win Mag (long version) FC brass, CCI 200, 67.5 of H414/WW 760, Hornady 165 BTSP--- max load
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Old November 14, 2012, 10:24 AM   #31
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For Handguns, Ive had great sucess with the .45ACP 230gr RN @ 4.5gr of Alliant Bullseye with a CCI #300 primer and an OAL of 1.265". Theyve been very accurate and consistant.

For Rifles, I havent made anything beyond .223/5.56NATO. I have had great success with this round. Specifically, I use a 62gr M855 FMJ-SC @ 25.0gr of Hodgdon H4895 with a CCI #450 and an OAL of 2.255". This load has worked wonders for me. Its surgically accurate and devastating if youre on the receiving end of it!!

Hope this helps anyone, if there is something you can share with me to improve these loads, Or maybe share a load that Im planning on getting into, Im all ears!!

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Old November 14, 2012, 07:01 PM   #32
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185 grain JHP in 45 auto with a bunch of Unique. (too much to mention here)
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Old November 14, 2012, 07:12 PM   #33
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Savage .223 1:9 twist
winchester brass
CCI #400 small rifle primers
26gr Varget
55gr V-max with canterlure
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Old November 14, 2012, 08:34 PM   #34
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My 220 Swift favorite load didn't come from my experimentation. An article from a Shooter's Digest from the 1970's said that there was never a 220 Swift that didn't like 38.5 grains of IMR 4064 behind a 55 grain bullet. I got out my reloading stuff and worked up to that load and that is the load that I have used since then. Yessiree...that is a good load.

For the 270, my long time favorite is 59 grains of 4831sc behind a 130 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip.

CCI BR primers in both of the loads above. Work up to both loads since they are near max (depends on the loading book you are reading).
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Old December 23, 2012, 09:17 AM   #35
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QUOTE: Nevmavrick

About 3/4 of the Internet is cussing because they've run into the small-primer .45s. Am I to understand you've chosen to seek them out and load them as the usual case?

I don't see anything at all wrong with small pistol primers (at least when used in the .45 ACP)

I needed some more once-fired .45 ACP brass, so it just happens that they were all small primer, but at a very good price. So, I bought the brass and the Winchester small primers ... The primers were no harder to insert than the large, and never a misfire from them.

I think they fire cleaner too than the large primers. Anyway, that's all I use now, and it won't be long until small primers is about all your going to see.

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Old December 23, 2012, 02:26 PM   #36
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Ron, the problem isn't that small primer .45 brass doesn't work, or doesn't work well. It runs GREAT, I use them also. The problem is that we literally have one HUNDRED years of brass before some idiot knucklehead decided to make a change.

At the least, it's an annoyance. In reality, it gets to be dangerous when a piece of small primer .45 gets mixed in with your large primer .45 and you attempt to prime it, especially for those working with progressive machines or volume operations.

Certainly, you can make the argument that they need to be on their toes and inspect their brass, but someone has still created a problem out of nowhere.

it won't be long until small primers is about all your going to see.
Not hardly. I found some .357 Magnum brass on my last range trip with the Super-Vel headstamp. Quick search suggest this stuff was last marketed in 1974. I've found plenty of large primer .45 Auto milsurp brass with head stamps dating to the 1950s. The truth is that both you and I will have gone to our final resting place before handloaders stop coming across large primer .45 Auto brass.

The idea to make it small primer certainly benefits things from a production standpoint, no need to argue otherwise as it's fact. From a handloader's standpoint, it's absolutely awful idea. It'd be a fine idea if you had the benefit of a time machine or the ability to re-write history.

They should have left .45 alone and changed 10mm Auto to small primer...that I could get on board with!
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Old December 23, 2012, 05:45 PM   #37
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I load 4 calibers, this is what works in my guns:

9mm......4.5 grains Universal behind a 124 grain Berry's bullet, very accurate. Ruger SR9-C

40 S&W......6.7 grains Longshot behind a 180 grain Berry's, mild recoil and accurate. Springfield XD-40 4" barrel.

223......25.3 grains H4895, Hornady 55 grain FMJBT, CCI 400 primer, Rem case....consistently shoots 1.5"-2" at 100 yards, 5 shots from a Mini-14. With A-Max bullets, I can get it down to an inch at 100 yards.

308....44.5 grains IMR-4895, CCI 200 primer, Rem case, Nosler 168 grain HPBT....this load will consistently shoot an inch at 100 yards, 5 shots. This is from a Remmy 700 SPS Tactical with 20" heavy barrel. About 1 out of 4 groups will print 3/4" inch....I'm happy with this.
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