Bullpup rifles???? - Page 3

BlueTrain · September 4, 2011, 07:55 AM

The provisional manual for the experimental British E.M.1 from 1950 actually illustrates a "long model", so perhaps they weren't sold on the bullpup idea after all. But since it is an official Ministry of Supply publication, they made no effort to sell the idea, at least in the manual. Aside from the total length of the rifle, there is no particular advantage. It even weighs over 9 lbs. unloaded but I think the S.A.80 is on the heavy side, too. The basic problem with the original unmodified S.A.80 was not the design or concept, as I understand it, but rather in the execution. The parts that held it together actually wore out quickly. All AR-15 variations (The S.A.80 was based on the AR-18, I am led to believe) have similiar parts, meaning the pins that hold the top and bottom together, but I've never heard of any problem with them in that regard. Other bullpup rifles do not have a takedown like that and presumably avoid the problem altogether.

SR420 · September 10, 2011, 08:07 PM

Finally received the tall rings... my Rogue is scoped now

chadio · September 11, 2011, 02:21 PM

Oh my....

that is too cool for words

SR420 · September 13, 2011, 04:05 PM

I had a few minutes to spare today and zeroed in my scope.

I'm not comfortable firing from a bench and that's probably why one round is pulled way off to the right.

warrior poet · September 13, 2011, 04:18 PM

I'm not a 'rail-a-holic' with my rifles, but even I admit that that rifle is pretty darned cool, and looks like she shoots well too. That's a Rogue 'conversion' for the M14, right? I'd like to know, b/c it seems to rate a closer look.

SR420 · September 13, 2011, 04:26 PM

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...it seems to rate a closer look

PM sent.

Stevie-Ray · September 21, 2011, 12:02 AM

I'm currently on a waiting list for a machined aluminum bullpup stock for my 10/22. It'll be my first bullpup venture, but I'd personally love to have an RFB.

freedash22 · September 12, 2012, 01:03 AM

Though mostly more expensive compared to conventional rifles, the Chinese T97A and T97C (5.56 military export versions of the QBZ-95 standard and short rifles) are sold at quite low prices here in the Philippines (1800+ USD); (It should be noted that unlike in other countries select-fire rifles are legal but very expensive here). For example, for the price of 1 bushmaster select-fire M4 you can get 2 T97A rifles here while you can get almost two select-fire Type-56 AKs for the price of 1 T97 rifle. However, despite this, US-made select-fire M4s by DPMS, Bushmaster, Colt (rare) and other brands are the most popular rifles here. And given the current political climate with China, their rifles aren't selling very well and it seems people work hard to go the extra mile to buy US-made guns.

trg42wraglefragle · September 12, 2012, 05:09 AM

The majority of British soldiers will tell you the SA80 is a horrible gun.

The British, Australian and New Zealand armies all use bullpups for their rifles, yet everyone of thems SAS use the M4 or M4 equivalent.
Although I have herd the British SAS have taken an interest in the SCAR, which is also not bullpup.

savage1r · September 12, 2012, 05:30 AM

If you don't mind using a hammer, punch, and screwdriver, this bullpup can be had for $550 or less depending on how much you pay for your sks. Going to take it to the range this weekend, I'll let you know how it shoots.

Art Eatman · September 12, 2012, 09:14 AM

After a year and a half, odds are that the OP has bought his bullpup--or not.

September 4, 2011, 07:55 AM	#51
BlueTrain Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2005 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 6,141	The provisional manual for the experimental British E.M.1 from 1950 actually illustrates a "long model", so perhaps they weren't sold on the bullpup idea after all. But since it is an official Ministry of Supply publication, they made no effort to sell the idea, at least in the manual. Aside from the total length of the rifle, there is no particular advantage. It even weighs over 9 lbs. unloaded but I think the S.A.80 is on the heavy side, too. The basic problem with the original unmodified S.A.80 was not the design or concept, as I understand it, but rather in the execution. The parts that held it together actually wore out quickly. All AR-15 variations (The S.A.80 was based on the AR-18, I am led to believe) have similiar parts, meaning the pins that hold the top and bottom together, but I've never heard of any problem with them in that regard. Other bullpup rifles do not have a takedown like that and presumably avoid the problem altogether. __________________ Shoot low, sheriff. They're riding Shetlands! Underneath the starry flag, civilize 'em with a Krag, and return us to our own beloved homes! Buy War Bonds.

September 10, 2011, 08:07 PM	#52
SR420 Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 3,336	Finally received the tall rings... my Rogue is scoped now __________________ The History and Development of the M14 EBR

September 11, 2011, 02:21 PM	#53
chadio Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2011 Posts: 931	^^^ Oh my.... that is too cool for words

September 13, 2011, 04:05 PM	#54
SR420 Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 3,336	Rogue accuracy I had a few minutes to spare today and zeroed in my scope. I'm not comfortable firing from a bench and that's probably why one round is pulled way off to the right. __________________ The History and Development of the M14 EBR

September 13, 2011, 04:18 PM	#55
warrior poet Senior Member Join Date: December 13, 2007 Location: Whereever Uncle Sam wants to put me Posts: 415	I'm not a 'rail-a-holic' with my rifles, but even I admit that that rifle is pretty darned cool, and looks like she shoots well too. That's a Rogue 'conversion' for the M14, right? I'd like to know, b/c it seems to rate a closer look. __________________ Trigger control: The skillful manipulation of the trigger, which causes the weapon to fire, while maintaining sight alignment and sight picture.

September 21, 2011, 12:02 AM	#57
Stevie-Ray Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: The shores of Lake Huron Posts: 4,783	I'm currently on a waiting list for a machined aluminum bullpup stock for my 10/22. It'll be my first bullpup venture, but I'd personally love to have an RFB. __________________ Stevie-Ray Join the NRA/ILA I am the weapon; my gun is a tool. It's regrettable that with some people those descriptors are reversed.

September 12, 2012, 01:03 AM	#58
freedash22 Member Join Date: July 2, 2012 Posts: 49	Chinese makes low-cost Bullpups Though mostly more expensive compared to conventional rifles, the Chinese T97A and T97C (5.56 military export versions of the QBZ-95 standard and short rifles) are sold at quite low prices here in the Philippines (1800+ USD); (It should be noted that unlike in other countries select-fire rifles are legal but very expensive here). For example, for the price of 1 bushmaster select-fire M4 you can get 2 T97A rifles here while you can get almost two select-fire Type-56 AKs for the price of 1 T97 rifle. However, despite this, US-made select-fire M4s by DPMS, Bushmaster, Colt (rare) and other brands are the most popular rifles here. And given the current political climate with China, their rifles aren't selling very well and it seems people work hard to go the extra mile to buy US-made guns.

September 12, 2012, 05:09 AM	#59
trg42wraglefragle Senior Member Join Date: April 21, 2008 Location: new zealand Posts: 856	The majority of British soldiers will tell you the SA80 is a horrible gun. The British, Australian and New Zealand armies all use bullpups for their rifles, yet everyone of thems SAS use the M4 or M4 equivalent. Although I have herd the British SAS have taken an interest in the SCAR, which is also not bullpup.

September 12, 2012, 05:30 AM	#60
savage1r Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 2009 Posts: 313	If you don't mind using a hammer, punch, and screwdriver, this bullpup can be had for $550 or less depending on how much you pay for your sks. Going to take it to the range this weekend, I'll let you know how it shoots. __________________ Please visit my YouTube page at: www.youtube.com/user/savage1r

September 12, 2012, 09:14 AM	#61
Art Eatman Staff in Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville, GA Posts: 24,798	After a year and a half, odds are that the OP has bought his bullpup--or not.