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Old September 5, 2012, 01:11 PM   #26
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Don't I wish

When you get to a certain age the option of iron sights is not an option any more I have a couple of red dots and a 4x pistol scope in the scout configuration on my 30-30 and both of my .308s I guess it all comes down to what works best for you
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Old September 5, 2012, 04:41 PM   #27
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personally i'd slap a holographic sight or a flat panel scope easy easy shooting
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Old September 5, 2012, 07:03 PM   #28
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I set my sons up for hunting with the poor mans scout rifle, lol. A rem 700 ADL-SY (synthetic Youth) and installed Williams aperture sights on it. That is a sweet shootin' setup. Compact, accurate, and works with nothing superfluous on it.

I've been accused of handicapping my kids for getting them irons instead of a scope, but that didn't stop him from knocking down an elk with it.
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Old September 5, 2012, 07:18 PM   #29
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No scope makes the entire package short, light, slick and fast. I always hated the damn scope on a rifle as it always seems to get in the way.
Depends upon the scope and how you mount it.
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Old September 5, 2012, 08:49 PM   #30
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My eyes no longer work as well with apertures as they used to, the front post doubles.

I'm finding that with the right combination of front & rear, I can still see both well enough to shoot decently with irons in the form of a VISIBLE front post & a notch rear.

The Compact Magnum .308 was shooting about 6 inches at 100 yards as it came, with that tiny bead. Once the sight was replaced by the XS blade, groups shrank to under 2 inches, with a couple going markedly lower, in exactly the same shooting conditions.

There's something about the way light transmits through the rear notch that sharpens up the front blade. I tilt the blade up out of the notch & it blurs, I put it back down in the notch & it sharpens right up.

Has to be the right configuration on the rear, not all work equally well.
I noticed the same thing on a Rossi .22 pump years ago.
Once the bead's dumped, the notch on the Ruger CM works great.

The Ruger rears with a two-level wide notch and a tiny bead are particularly hard for me to line up, but the notch on the CM is perfect.

Just a thought.
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Old September 6, 2012, 06:31 PM   #31
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Remington, CZ, and Vanguard still have iron sights available.
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Old September 6, 2012, 08:15 PM   #32
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Can't see a Vanguard on their site with irons.
What am I doing wrong?

Shot the Remington BDL a while back, very nice rifle. Nicer if they made it without that varnish.
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Old September 6, 2012, 08:39 PM   #33
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Go check out the used rifle racks at your gunshop, or go to a gun show or two. You will find plenty of lightly used rifles, often with iron sights and low end scoped mounted. Find a good one, take the scope off, you're in business.

Stay away from the military surplus bolt guns. While quite adequate, you won't make the weight you want.
All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.
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Old September 7, 2012, 03:07 AM   #34
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Because I've never hunted (but would really like to hunt hogs), has anybody here hunted hogs or deer with a Spanish FR8?

They quite often have excellent bores and have sights similar to the HK-91/Cetme. I have two matching FR8s, bought recently at a typical (or "GB") price of about $425, and the tool for the front sight is very cheap. Contrary to many Internet rumours which confuse the FR7 (very old 7mm action) with the FR8, the FR8's action is the large-ring 8mm Mauser.
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Old September 7, 2012, 02:36 PM   #35
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Can't use them any more but I have always liked the Williams aperture sites.

Also you might look into some express folding leaf sights. I had some on a Vouree Mauser. They were easy to use and very accurate.
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Old September 7, 2012, 03:04 PM   #36
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One of my most memorable shooting achievements was, when, in 1979, firing my trusty Winchester M-70 XTR in .308, at 100 yards, with GI ammunition and in fading light, I fired a 1.5" group, and I was wearing glasses by that time.
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Old September 7, 2012, 09:01 PM   #37
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My friend has a Mosin Nagant M38 he's willing to trade for my Mossberg 500. It's not quite under 7lbs but I think it'll do. I also saw some scout type mounts for the M38.
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Old September 10, 2012, 08:40 AM   #38
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I have an old Mossberg 800 30-06 with iron sights. Not my main gun but fun to use for hog hunting occasionally. 220gr Core Locks do the trick, luckily I can still use iron sights (52 yr. old eyes).
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