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Old March 30, 2011, 06:01 PM   #26
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This is a very good subject, with a number of very good ideas that warrant consideration before anyone were to find themselves in this type of situation!

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However, one of the scariest things on earth is an angry female racking the slide on a 12 ga. I think I'll let my wife handle it
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Old March 30, 2011, 06:12 PM   #27
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What do you do? The smart answer is to call 911 before anything else. To grab your gun first, all full of bravado is foolish. But what if the noise was nothing? Just the wind outside or creeks that old houses make or maybe you're just plain hearing things.
There is such a thing as playing the percentages. I hear a noise and immediately look to the bed. If both cats aren't there, there's a better than 90% chance one or both of them are into something. There's probably another 8% chance that something fell on it's own as sometimes happens. Of course there's also a 2% chance somebody's in the house that doesn't belong. I'm willing to go investigating, gun in hand, on maybe a 15% chance, so this is a no-brainer. Now, reverse that and both cats are on the bed, and not only did something fall, but I could have sworn I heard a whispered you idiot! Now, it's 911 and barricade time with at least 2 loaded weapons.
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Old March 30, 2011, 06:20 PM   #28
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I had this happen to me when I lived in England. The problem depends on where you are in your sleep cycle and some burglars know that. It was around 2 am and I was in a deep sleep. I was dreaming that I could hear a noise like someone splitting a wooden floorboard (thats what it was in my dream) I was struggling to wake up even though alarms wee ringing in my head.
When I did wake up I could hear the splitting noise continuing, so I got up and slipped on my sweats, by this time the adrenaline was pumping, I went downstairs and looked through the living room doorway and could see someone stood on the outside windowledge forcing open the transom window

My wife heard me moving around and shouted something from upstairs - the BG heard her also and started to run away. I open my front door and went to the end of the driveway ( 20') and saw him taking off like a gazelle. The next thing I hear a car gunning its engine up the street towards me. I'm ****** and pick up a rock out of the garden which I throw through the windscreen at the driver , car goes all over the place but makes off.
Police called and indifferent, it turns out the BG ws forcing the window with a pair of garden shears that he dropped in my garden. Told the cop what happened and he said I could be charged with assault, ah well.
The get away car was found about a mile from where I live covered in blood on the inside but no one around to press charges.

Bottom line is you will not respond as quickly as you think and will rationalize any noises you hear, you have to have a plan for such situations and be prepared for any eventuality
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Old March 30, 2011, 06:55 PM   #29
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Steve, does windscreen mean windshield? You could be charged? Totally asinine!!!

I live alone with 3 big dogs in a very rural area. It takes the cops a very long time to get here. I have to pretty much take care of things myself with the dogs help.
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Old March 30, 2011, 07:15 PM   #30
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Let it Bleed, thank you. You are completely correct in inferring what I meant. I realize people probably thought I was trying to "catch" them with the "wrong answer" but that's not true. All I was saying is that if you're certain someone is in your home and you opt to handle it by yourself and not call the police, that's crazy. The catch 22 is if you call 911 when you're not sure, you might run the risk of looking the fool when police arrive to a wild goose chase. Didn't mean to offend anyone.
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Old March 30, 2011, 08:34 PM   #31
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I would wake up the dogs, if they were not already awake and barking and growling and attacking the intruder (or was it just a whisp of wind). Then I would go back to sleep.
When I look in the mirror, I am happy to see, some of that nine year old boy, who used to be me.
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Old March 30, 2011, 09:30 PM   #32
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interesting subject. No single solution fits all situations. Mine is more complex. Response by the nearest law enforcement agency is four, yes 4. hours.

Solution. Good defensive plan with lots of practice. Lots of noise makers placed at entry points, good locks and bars. two german shepherds and a yappy labrador. Hard points to fire from. Weapons for my wife and myself. Weapons loaded and close at hand.

Preferred weapons are 12 Pump and a 1911. Secondary weapons 9mm and an AR15 with red dot sight.

In developing your plan you should consider remote controlled light which will back light any perp approaching your defensive position.

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Old March 30, 2011, 09:58 PM   #33
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Response time here is no less than 30 minutes. If there's that much time, it's not an emergency. Unless the attack is perpetrated by several persons who know the layout and are determined, there will be plenty of time for me to contact the law after the problem is solved.
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Old March 30, 2011, 10:18 PM   #34
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You should rig your house in such a manner that there is absolutely no question in your mind that someone is in it. Here are some good ways to rig your house:

1) **Best solution** Professionally installed and centrally monitored alarm system. I cant say enough how valuable a system like this one is. The one I have has sensors on each entry door, glass breakage/window open sensors and a motion sensor in each room. I also have a sensor on my bedroom door in the event it is opened during the night while I am sleeping. On a few select doors throughout the house there are also sensors. I am very confident there is no way anyone could walk through my house without the alarm going off. At night when I am sleeping, the system is armed. There are panic buttons at each entry door and in my bedroom.

2) Motion sensors on each outdoor light. I have motion sensors on my flood lights and at each entry door. If someone walks through that yard at night, then multiple bright halogen flood lights come on. There are also motion activated lights all over my household.

3) Cameras at the entry doors and in the household. Cameras have become very inexpensive nowadays. I have a camera at each entry door, one overlooking the driveway and yard and then another of the living room. My cameras were professionally installed along with the alarm system.

4) Entry door chimes on each entry door. Besides the regular alarm, I have entry door chimes that sound a loud chime each time the door is opened.

5) Security screen doors. I had these installed not too long ago and love them. These screen doors are essential to home security. They seem stronger then the regular door and have a deadbolt on them in a reinforced metal frame. Its one more thing an attacker has to get through and they will make a lot of noise if they try.

6) Barricade bolts/bars on each entry door and your bedroom door. This is basically one large solid bar that goes across your doorway. Its fairly easy to make with u-bolts and you can use a 2x4.

7) Reinforce your door frame and locks on all doors and the bedroom doors. Two deadbolts is better then one. If you really desire security, there are specially made doors that are expensive, but will take a lot of force before you can open them. There are many articles on the internet how to reinforce your existing door and products they sell. You want to make it so that it will take more then just a shove or a kick to get the door open.

8) Install burglary blockades and traps within your house. For example, I read about this trick of placing a net in the hallway between the stairs and your bedroom door. Like this one.

Before you get into bed, you snap the net into place. On the net, you place chimes and noisemakers so if its moved then you will know. If you could hook up an alarm to the net, then that would be better. This net will take time for a home invader to get through and will make noise in the process.

9) An escape ladder from your bedroom through the outside window. This will give you more options should your house be invaded.

10) A safe room complete with a separate phone system and reinforced door. You can make one of these with a walk-in closet.

11) Storm windows. In my house there is the regular window and then the storm window. The storm window can be broken just like the regular window, but its one more barrier for the home invader which might give you a few more seconds to react. The idea is to place more objects in their path and harden the target. They will get in if they want, but place more in front of them. The storm windows I have seem to resist rocks and one time a baseball hit the window and it didnt shatter.

12) Loud interior alarms and buzzers. Lets say you believe someone is in your house or you hear a noise. Then rig a button that will sound a very loud alarm throughout the house. The alarm has a good chance of scaring the average home invader off. If you were a home invader and suddenly there was this blaring alarm noise, then chances are you will not be sticking around. Also rig a switch to all of the interior and exterior lights.
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Old March 30, 2011, 10:26 PM   #35
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You should rig your house in such a manner that there is absolutely no question in your mind that someone is in it.
Kids toys scattered down the hallway are absolutely unbeatable. It is IMPOSSIBLE to sneak down a hallway when these diabolical traps are in place!

In all seriousness though, fort up and LISTEN. You know your house's sounds and you'll know if something isn't right.
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Old March 30, 2011, 11:40 PM   #36
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what are the police going to do? you still have to go outside and meet them.
is the bad guy supposed to run if the cruiser pulls up outside? Just get a siren, and turn it on when you get concerned about bumps in the night.
Police will want to give your place a pat down, and if you have something
out of the ordinary, like a copy of guns and ammo on the coffee table, it goes in the notebook.
They dont just respond and go away until next time you need them, thay have to close out their call, with an explanation, names, dates, locations. If they dont, and you get attacked after they leave, they will get sued.
Where do you get your information? The home owners do not meet us outside. We advise dispatch units are entering the home, do a protective sweep and then contact the owners.

I am an Officer and on alarm calls we don't care about magazines on your table, what your wearing, if your armed, or if you have a full out armory. We make contact, identify you, and if there is no offense to report we leave. Nothing gets noted if it is a false alarm, no need.

We also try to park 3 or more houses down from the address dispatched and black out everything when we turn down the street. I also do not "close" my door when I get out, I gently lay it on the striker and just give a little pressure to latch the door.

Personally, when something goes bump in the night at my place I clear my residence with my AR. If I find something they will be proned out on the floor, or if more drastic measure are required then they will be taken. Then I call it in from the cell phone that is in my pocket. If its nothing I go back to bed.
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Old March 31, 2011, 12:10 AM   #37
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I would call the police if I thought someone was going to break in to my house in 30-45 minutes...
Someday I'll be good enough to know if a gun is accurate or not.
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Old March 31, 2011, 02:22 PM   #38
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Kids toys scattered down the hallway are absolutely unbeatable.
My son has a tank that makes all kinds of loud noises, bump it and it goes off for like 3 or 4 minutes.. Might be a good idea to scatter these thru the house in places they would not be able to avoid bumping them....

I also have a clapper on one lite that is in a corner, lite it up and bad guy is lit up from behind, I bet he would turn to the lite which would be a huge mistake on his part.......
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Old March 31, 2011, 03:44 PM   #39
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I would call the police if I thought someone was going to break in to my house in 30-45 minutes...
Talk about slow response time. Ours is 3-5 minutes average.
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Old March 31, 2011, 06:44 PM   #40
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Kids toys scattered down the hallway are absolutely unbeatable.
There ya go! You can add lots of bad language to the charges too.

Talk about slow response time. Ours is 3-5 minutes average.
I think the difference here is why you are seeing different schools of thought.

Some have been trained to dial 911 ("and die".) (Sorry, couldnt help it. ), while some of us realize, your on your own, and you have to deal with whatever it is, until (if youre lucky) someone shows up to take the report.

Not everyone has 911 yet either, so theres also that. We just got it a couple of years ago, but half the places still dont have addresses showing (still RR/RD numbers), and your GPS wont bring you to my house. My road has four names, depending on whos map you look at, and the GPS is clueless. If you do have to call, you usually have to give directions.
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