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Old December 9, 2010, 01:43 PM   #26
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I don't know how often safeties break in a self-defense situation, but I snapped one off of one of my 1911s putting it back together the other day. Stupid ambi safety abomination. I always hated it anyway, so it's gone and I replaced it with a simple safety as God and JMB himself hath decreed.

I can say that in force-on-force training it is not at all uncommon for shooters under stress to draw a gun with a safety lever and, despite being accomplished and experienced shooters, find that they are pressing a trigger that won't go bang because they neglected the safety.

I'm a caveman. I want one switch, and only one switch, to make the thing go bang. This is after a full evolution from Glock-->1911-->Glock as my EDC.
Forgetting to put off the safety is the result of bad or no training. Blaming the weapon for an inability to use it is just ridiculous.

A thumb safety is there for a reason, in a tactical sense, in case of a disarm you will wish you had one when your own weapon is pointing at you. Dont think anyone is immune to a disarm.

That is one of the many reasons i love the Browning High Power. I keep the mag safety intact for that very reason.

I can see that in a general sense being a concern, however in this case it is a moot argument. There is no safety on the P-01, just a decocker. It simply drops the hammer to half-cock, and changes SA to DA. All you have to do in any situation with the P-01 is pull the trigger to go bang. The only difference is how hard you have to pull.
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Old December 9, 2010, 02:22 PM   #27
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Roger that. Never had a CZ, learn something all the time if you listen.
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Old December 9, 2010, 03:47 PM   #28
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I have a cz75 compact and a glock 19. The cz 75 compact does have a safety and can be carried cocked and locked.

What i said still holds true by the way
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Old December 9, 2010, 05:09 PM   #29
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The steel-framed CZ 75 Compact has a safety. The alloy-framed P-01 and PCR have decocker, no safety-- so point, pull trigger -- no "flipper" to worry about. I have a PCR, with no problems in about 1000 rounds. The trigger isn't yet where I want it to be, but it fits my large hand quite well and pretty much points where I need it to.

The slide of a Glock seems much bulkier than that of the PCR, and the slide-in-frame feature on PCR/P-01 allows my grip to be higher up -- closer to the barrel. I had a Sig p6 before the PCR, and I definitely like the lower bore axis.
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Old December 9, 2010, 06:11 PM   #30
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I like both the pistols in question here, but I'm not so sure the CZ has a lower bore axis than the Glock.
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Old December 9, 2010, 08:08 PM   #31
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I have many CZ'and the P-01 is a great gun but i carry a Glock 19 i have a OD, rrtf2 and gen3 black so the G19 is i think one the best carry guns out there. I have large hands and the sub glocks get lost in my hands. You cannot go wrong just buy both.
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Old December 9, 2010, 09:34 PM   #32
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Are the Glock 19 and the CZ-P01 too large for concealed carry?
Absolutely not. People can and do conceal larger guns all the time. Compared to what I grew up on, both of those are very small and light guns.

Stick with the one you shoot better, and the other factors will work out around that.
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Old December 9, 2010, 09:58 PM   #33
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Bingo. ^
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Old December 18, 2010, 08:01 PM   #34
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Good thoughts, all. Thanks!

I ended up going with the Glock, though I wouldn't be surprised if the CZ is my next purchase down the road. Both good models, and I favored the CZ at an emotional level, and that does matter. The CZ's .22 conversion kit seems a notch better, too.

But I like the Glock and was swayed by having a consistent trigger pull - easier for a rookie like me to learn than SA/DA - and the fact that it's common. If I decide to change sights on it, for instance, they'll be available; not necessarily so for the CZ. At a class last week, I needed another mag, and an instructor just handed me one, which he couldn't do if I had the P01.

driving a 2010 Honda Civic just doesn't give me the same feeling as driving a 1965 Shelby Cobra or a (insert favorite sports car here).
The 'buying a car' analogy suited me in general. I took about six weeks to choose my pistol, trying a bunch at the range and reading about them. That's about what I'd do for a car, and that's not a knock against folks who make a snappy decision, but for me, it was best to digest.

Thanks again for the thoughts. I'm happy with the Glock, and I hope there's a P01/PCR in my future. It'll make a great second car.
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Old December 18, 2010, 09:39 PM   #35
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Are the Glock 19 and the CZ-P01 too large for concealed carry?
That is up to you. A G23 was my first CCW, and I eventually traded it for a G19. Both are long gone. I could never get comfortable with carrying a double-stack-anything.
In the last seven years, I've been through at least 25-30 carry handguns.
YMM(and probably will)V.
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