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Old September 26, 2010, 11:54 AM   #1
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Rate the ar15 as a varmint rifle

I have a Stage Arms AR15 flattop with a 20'' barrel & a 3x10x50 scope.
I need to do some varmint control mostly yotes,groundhog,armadillo.
Most of the shots will be inside 300yds.The Stag shoots real close to MOA
with hand loads.My buddys seem to think I need a 22.250 for the job but I dont want to buy a bolt gun right now.SO I would like your opinion on how this rifle would rate on a 1 to 10 scale as a critter getter. THANKS YA'LL.
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Old September 26, 2010, 12:01 PM   #2
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I rate it a 10! Sounds like the scope would work well, too

A .22-250 is awesome, but not necessary for ~300yd shots
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Old September 26, 2010, 12:04 PM   #3
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it'll work lol. don't fix it if it aint broke
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Old September 26, 2010, 12:37 PM   #4
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Definetly a 10. I shoot at the local range every weekend and i must say those guns are becoming very comon and very accurate. Critters you are shooting are very small and the need for a larger caliber rifle is really not needed.
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Old September 26, 2010, 12:38 PM   #5
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How well does the rifle shoot?
How well do you shoot?
How much shooting have you done out to 300 yds?

If the rifle shoots well off the bench, and you can shoot well, and you can see and hit smallish targets out to 300 yds, use the AR.

If the rifle does not group somewhere near 1" at 100 yds off the bench, or if you can't hit a 6" target from field positions at that range, I would seriously consider doing some range work with it until you can shoot better, or do some load development until you find a load the rifle can shoot well with.

After that, go ahead and get those varmints, the 223 is up to the task.
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Old September 26, 2010, 12:38 PM   #6
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..and sometimes the need for a quick follow-up shot is required
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Old September 26, 2010, 01:00 PM   #7
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I guess it depends...

My buddy uses his AR15 on prairie dogs at great distances, up to 600 yards, and while it isn't my cup of tea, for him it works really well, as he can fire a ranging shot, and make an almost instant correction to hit on the second shot if the first misses. This is a nice feature of that rifle. It doesn't recoil much and the muzzle stays on target.

I prefer my bolt rifle CZ to the AR15, so that's what I shoot. I give up some ease of use that he has with his rifle, but it fits me better and I love the set trigger.

My buddy uses an attached bipod and a small deck chair for his prairie dog forays. I use shooting sticks and shoot from a modified kneeling position.

I would say that if you like the platform, it will probably work very well for you indeed.
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Old September 26, 2010, 01:06 PM   #8
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Old September 26, 2010, 01:45 PM   #9
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I've shot less than 3/4'' groups at 100yds.But never tried grouping at2 or 300
have very little trouble with soda cans or bowlin pins at 300yds.as long as I stay off the coffee & coke.I shoot a good bit at 500 to 700yds. with a 300wm
& have shot a few deer& hogs with this AR15 its just not my go to rifle.I got to do some killing the grounghogs & armadillas are diggin holes everywhere.
Not to mention I have way to many bullets in this gun.
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Old September 26, 2010, 04:28 PM   #10
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How well does the rifle shoot?
How well do you shoot?
How much shooting have you done out to 300 yds?
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I've shot less than 3/4'' groups at 100yds.But never tried grouping at2 or 300
have very little trouble with soda cans or bowlin pins at 300yds.as long as I stay off the coffee & coke.I shoot a good bit at 500 to 700yds. with a 300wm
Well, then, it sounds like you answered your own question. The AR is a good platform for varminting. I have shot a 223 on ground squirrels and coyotes out at 350 yds, and the cartridge is a good performer at that range. Beyond that range, you need to be good at reading wind and estimating range, but I have seen people hit ground squirrels at 450-ish yds with a 223.

22-250 is an entirely different game, with hits out to 450-500 yds being ridiculously easy, and out to 600 yds if you stick your tongue out of the right side of your mouth, squint just right, and say the right magic words.
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Old September 26, 2010, 04:41 PM   #11
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Last varmit season was my first using an AR. It worked quite well. Accurate enough, and the occasional quick follow-up shot was welcome. No trouble finding ejected brass, either. I was worried about that, because I reload. But it puts 'em all in the same place, so they're easy to gether up.
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Old September 26, 2010, 05:31 PM   #12
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I mostly shoot my CZ527 these days, but on occasion I still haul out one of the AR's. If I didn't have the 527- the AR would get a 9.5.

Cheap velcro-on type brass catcher baggies can be had for less than $12 or so from CDNN. I don't let mine get plumb full- and maybe that's why I've never had a problem with them. But I do use them when running around on ranchland. (AR ejecting brass WILL destroy rearview mirrors on 1985 Dodge trucks!)
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Old September 26, 2010, 08:56 PM   #13
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Take the AR out to a range with a 300 yd target and see how ya do. As far as bullet performance at 300 yds, there isn't going to be much at 223 velocities at that range but poking a hole in most of the animals you listed is all that's necessary. But a trip to the range will tell you if it's something you want to hunt with and where you need to hold for the longer shots. You probably will be looking at raising the POI at 100 yds so that you don't need to hold so high at 300 yds. I keep mine a 3" high at 100 yds and a coyote at 300 yds with the crosshairs at his back is dead meat. But a 100yd zero using my loads of a 62gr bullet at 3200'ps will drop 17.5" at 300 yds to give you an idea. Speed is down to 1700'ps and energy is under 400lbs.
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Old September 27, 2010, 04:34 PM   #14
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For your stated use I think your good to go.
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Old September 27, 2010, 04:46 PM   #15
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had an AR one time long ago... built it with a flat top, took off the tactikool flash hider & added a custom muzzle break... put a 6-20X scope on as short a mounts as I could clear the scope bell, & that rifle was near as perfect a varmint gun as you could ask for... took it dogging many years ago, & my buddy & I would shoot out to close to 400... maybe 500 yards ( before cheap range finders were available ) I used to spot while my buddy was trying to drift in on a long dog... & if he ran out of ammo in his mag, I'd pop it while he was reloading... the comp kept the gun flat eough to watch 1st hand what happened when the foo hit the pan
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Old September 27, 2010, 05:13 PM   #16
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I don't see why that rig wouldn't rate a 10 for those varmints to 300 yards. Shouldn't be any problem at all...
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Old September 28, 2010, 09:37 AM   #17
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I wish that I could see varmints out to 100, them mesquite trees make long range varminting hell
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Old September 28, 2010, 09:58 AM   #18
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My Rock River with 4.5x14x40 LR VX3 with varmint reticule will shot 55grn Nosler BT's into 1/2" at 100, and .9 at 200. I have done 1 shot kills on paririe dogs at 300 yards with it. It has plenty of power and accuacy for most any varmint out to 350/400 yards.

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