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Old December 2, 2009, 06:45 PM   #51
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Luger. You only need to be faster than your buddy, not faster than the bear.
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Old December 6, 2009, 08:49 PM   #52
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Just where does a hunter try to hit a water buffalo, or grizzly bear?
Would it be the neck or chest, assuming that the skull is too thick?


But maybe he has the truck keys in his pocket.
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Old December 7, 2009, 01:52 AM   #53
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M38 Mosin

(M1917 Gov. if you had not outed the .30-06)

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Old December 7, 2009, 02:02 AM   #54
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How about this..... The M1 updated....
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Old December 7, 2009, 09:23 PM   #55
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Ah-Ha! All is not lost, I'm pitching my vote for the 1903 Springfield chambered for the original .30-03, which didn't hang around all that long.
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Old December 8, 2009, 07:59 AM   #56
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Mauser 98k, reamed for 8x64 (Brenneke's answer to the 30-06).
I used to love being able to hit hard at 1000 yards. As I get older I find hitting a mini ram at 200 yards with the 22 oddly more satisfying.
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Old December 9, 2009, 08:03 AM   #57
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Mauser 98K

I would use the mauser 98k with 8mm. It's really that simple....
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Old December 9, 2009, 09:02 AM   #58
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The 55cal. Boyes anti tank rifle should do the job!
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Old December 10, 2009, 09:57 PM   #59
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i vote for the 55 Boyes and the 1903 springfield the enfield smle and the m1 garand
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Old December 11, 2009, 05:09 AM   #60
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Gewehr 98!

Most powerful of the milsurps (8mm bullet 196 grain @ 2700 with great sectional density), good accuracy, and if you run out of ammo you can poke the bear from a safe distance with the 29'' long barrel.
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Old December 15, 2009, 10:41 PM   #61
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An 8mm Model 98 Mauser will do anything a 30-06 will do if hand loaded properly. 2,700 fps with premium 165 to 180 grain projectiles will preform excellent for you on a bear. Most commercial 8mm bullets are sold to fire in the pre 1912(?) barrels which are smaller than the WWII Mausers. The muzzel velocity for most commercial 8mm's are in the 2,200 to 2,350 fps area. Not fast enough for longer, accurate shots orgood expansion with many projectiles.
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Old December 23, 2009, 02:58 PM   #62
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Get yourself a decent K98 loaded with 8MM JS rounds in a softpoint

Get yourself a decent K98 loaded with 8MM handloads that duplicate the JS loadings or beyond.

In your cartridge bag, throw in a few 8mm RNSP rounds if you intend to shoot at ranges under 150 yards. Only put one RNSP in the rifle - in the chamber - because they may not feed well from the magazine like the spire points.

Do not use factory loaded 8mm mauser rounds, unless you special order from those vendors that sell them in the JS range. Most of the factory loaded 8mm is loaded down for safety in pressures. It works well for white tail deer, but I sure as hell wouldnt snipe away at a brown bear with it. You would probably wound him and who knows what happens after that?

Though it is not reccommended, Elephants have been killed with 8mm Mauser loading a solid bullet and firing into the brain. Cape Buffalo, Rhino, Hippo, have all been taken repeatedly with the 8mm Mauser. Read your history on South African hunting. Often only .303 and 8mm Mauser were all that were available in the old days down there.

The 8mm Mauser case has plenty of room in it for heavy loading. Plenty of room for your powder charges in that bottle. Bullets weighing anything at or over 180 grains will work for the project. Personally, I would load something in the way of the 220grn JSP. Place your shots carefully, and take them only under conditions where you KNOW you are going to connect well. You will get your bear. Just do it at a moderate range under good shooting conditions.

NOTES / CUT-N-PASTE - 8MM ORIGINAL LOADINGS FROM WW-2 (This was not written by me)

Then I learned two things. Number one was Norma currently loads the 8mm Mauser with a 196-grain bullet at 2,500 fps, and number two was such was pretty much what a "standard" WWII load should be. In the beginning duplicating such wasn't so easy. American ammunition makers feared their factory loads might be fired in the old .318" barrels of pre-1905 8mm Mausers instead of thereafter standard .323" barrels. Therefore they load this cartridge only to about 35,000 psi. Good condition Mauser 98 actions can easily accommodate 50,000 psi. I discussed this with powder and bullet company ballisticians and then carefully developed a good full-power 8mm load closely approximating WWII military ballistics. It consists of the 195-grain Hornady Spire Point bullet over 48 grains of Hodgdon Varget powder for an average velocity of 2,480 fps from this particular rifle. (By the way, that normal 8mm factory load clocks 2,393 fps.)
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The 8x57JS (8mm Mauser) By Chuck Hawks

Here are some cartridge specifications of interest to 8x57JS reloaders: bullet diameter .323", maximum COL 3.228", maximum case length 2.244", SAAMI MAP 37,000 cup.

Bullets from 125 to 220 grains are available, but the most popular are those between 150-200 grains.

Medium burning rifle powders are generally the most successful in the 8x57, including VARGET, H335, H380, H414, H4350, IMR 4064, IMR 4350, W748, and VIHT N-150.

Bullet / Wgt / Dia. Powder Powder Weight MV Primer
Speer 200gr .323 IMR 4064 42.0 2198 CCI-200
Speer 200gr .323 IMR 4064 46.0 2434 CCI-200
Speer 170gr .323 IMR 4064 45.0 2509 CCI-200
Speer 170gr .323 IMR 4064 49.0 2723 CCI-200
Speer 150gr .323 IMR 4064 47.0 2695 CCI-200
Speer 150gr .323 IMR 4064 51.0 2915 CCI-200

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Old December 24, 2009, 07:42 AM   #63
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For me a No5 Mk1 - The 303 has taken all of Africa's big 5 game and has taken just about every kind of game on earth since the 1900's.
Sure, you can take the Big 5 with a .303. You can free-climb El Capitan or ride motorcycles naked, too. Just because you can do something doesn't necessarily make it a good idea.
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Old December 24, 2009, 07:52 AM   #64
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I dont see why Garand rifle would not be a stellar choice. Oh wait, just reread original post.

I though it was just about rebarrelling to 30-06.

Why not an M14 then. 20 rounds of rip roaring 308. Maybe not so many of these Milsurps around.
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Old December 24, 2009, 08:06 AM   #65
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Why not an M14 then. 20 rounds of rip roaring 308. Maybe not so many of these Milsurps around.
Because the thread specifies "bolt gun".

Out of stuff I actually have, I don't know which I'd pick. Something short and light, with as much sectional density as possible... My Steyr-Mannlicher only has military ball ammo at the moment. I do have some heavy bullet loads in 7x57 lying about, and the Venezuelan FN carbine is a handy little piece...
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Old December 24, 2009, 08:07 PM   #66
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J.P. Sauer & Sohn M30 Luftwaffe survival drilling 2x 12 ga 2.5" over 1x 9.3x74mmR. I'd have Sauer lengthen the shotgun chambers to accept 2.75" shells.

Hey, a guy can dream... can't he
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