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Old March 12, 2009, 02:05 AM   #1
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Remington New Model 1858 "Fancied Up",....Genuine and Opinions?

Hi all, to the forum here and i thought i would pick the brains of some of you more knowledgable BP types!

Fact is i couldn't resist this one last week at an area antique store. The markings on top of the barrel look OK to me,......but the serial numbers under the barrel, on the trigger guard,.....and on the frame under the grips don't match. Not sure if they always should, sometimes do,......or thes pistols more often were pieced together from parts as they became available?

Along with the top of barrel Remington and patent marks,......someone had their name and year of 1946 engraved. (the lettering is upside down in relation to the patent marks) Not sure when the many copies of this gun started,.....but i suspect they aren't quite that old.

Just about all that could be engraved was,.....and the recesses were covered in a gold color. The engraving has a fairly sharp feel to it and fairly deep,......and the blueing looks to be original and about 98% all there. Looks like this one was well cared for.

The bore is in pretty good shape,.....just a very small amount of light pitting toward the muzzle. Cylinder is fairly tight also,.......although it looks like the slots were lightly peened somewhere along it's life.

Anyway, are some pretty detailed pics that i hope will garner some useful info,.......and if you're at all like me you like to drool over some old steel pics!

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Old March 12, 2009, 02:15 AM   #2
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More Pics.....

Front sight is dovetailed and is stamped "D.W. King". Maybe added later?

The next three pics are the same cylinder turned about a third around to show the pattern changes a bit

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Old March 12, 2009, 02:21 AM   #3
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More Pics....

Under the triggerguard

numbers on trigger guard

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Old March 15, 2009, 12:50 PM   #4
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Close ups on Barrel Marks and Frame

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Old March 21, 2009, 11:36 AM   #5
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Not too shabby at all!
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Old March 21, 2009, 06:21 PM   #6
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The numbers should all match. Probably assembled from parts and engraved as a project. Possibly in 1946 or else done earlier and marked 1946 later.
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Old March 22, 2009, 03:50 AM   #7
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the sights are custom. I'm guessing some well-off man's hunting side-arm.
with a slug over a max charge of 3F DuPont powder those were fairly powerful compared to the early cartidge guns.
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Old March 22, 2009, 07:48 AM   #8
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1946. If that is for real, it let's out it being a faked replica from Italy. Kings gun sights are from the 40's, and the 46 date would be a time when Kings sights were available. Looks sorta like some guy took an old used Remmy in 1946, had it finished and engraved, and put custom sights on it. Presumably for competition shooting. So it lost value as an original Rem. but you might research the name on it. Might have been a well known competition shooter at the time? You have the problem of an altered antique gun done in modern times but over 60 years ago, so the alterations are sorta antique too. An oddity for sure.
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Old March 22, 2009, 07:39 PM   #9
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That technique is called "false damascening." True damascening is cutting away a metal surface, usually steel, and inlaying figures or patterns, usually of precious metal as gold or silver. False damascening is acid etching the steel, then using plating or even paint to simulate a precious metal inlay. Both techniques have been used for centuries, not only on guns, but on other metal objects, including swords and armor.

I concur that the gun was probably made up by or for the person whose name is on it. I have no idea of the collector value (beauty, after all, is in the eye of the beholder), but it is a spectacular gun and certainly an attention getter.

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