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Old December 13, 2008, 05:57 PM   #1
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from an NRA alert rec'd today

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Ladies and gentlemen:

Absent ammunition, the Second Amendment amounts to your right to keep and bear a club of some sort. The enactment of such as is discussed below could well spell the end of ammunition availability. At the very least, it could create serious distribution problems, not to mention cost increases that would make recent price movements look like that proverbial walk in the park. Keep and eye pealed for such proposals, and don't for a minute forget the following. Your elected thing's first desire is to retain office. To further that desire, they react to pressure. Never forget that, and never forget to keep in touch with your employees, otherwise known as the above, your elected things.

Ammo Ban And Registration Proposal Getting Fresh Look

Friday, December 12, 2008

Happy Holidays: Now dispose of all of your ammunition! Every last round! From now on, you will be able to buy only overpriced ammunition that will be registered to you in a government database.

Not yet--at least for now. A small company, Ammunition Accountability--which wants to help anti-gunners price and regulate the Second Amendment out of existence, profit at the expense of our rights, or both--has found radical anti-gun legislators in 18 states willing to introduce bills pushing such nonsense.

But few anti-gun proposals are so overtly aimed at destroying the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. As we began noting on in January, so-called “encoded ammunition” or “serialized ammunition” bills would require ammunition manufacturers to engrave a serial number on the base of the bullet and the inside of the cartridge casing of each round of ammunition for popular sporting caliber center-fire rifles, all center-fire pistols, all .22 rimfire rifles and pistols, and all 12 gauge shotguns. In all but one of the bills, people would be required to forfeit all personally owned non-“encoded” ammunition. After a certain date, it would be illegal to possess non-“encoded” ammunition. Reloading would be rendered illegal.

People would be required to separately register every box of “encoded ammunition” and the registration would be supplied to the police. Each box of ammunition would have a unique serial number, thus a separate registration. Gun owners would have to maintain records if they sell ammunition to anyone, including family members or friends. The cost of ammunition would soar, for police and private citizens alike. The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturing Institute estimates it would take three weeks to produce ammunition currently produced in a single day. A tax of five cents a round would be imposed on private citizens, not only upon initial sale, but every time the ammunition changes hands thereafter.

And to what benefit in terms of fighting crime? Criminals already steal guns and would certainly steal ammunition. Burglaries would be encouraged. Criminals could also use shotguns, which fire pellets too small to encode, and which use shell casings made of plastic, which would be difficult to engrave. Criminals could also collect ammunition cases from shooting ranges, and reload them with molten lead bullets made without serial numbers.

Congress eliminated a handgun ammunition sale recordation requirement in 1983, because there was no law enforcement benefit. Be on the lookout in your states in the next legislative session for anti-gun zealots who refuse to learn from history, plus continue their crusade against our Second Amendment rights.

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Old December 15, 2008, 09:05 AM   #2
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There is a great video of an interview with the proponent of this and the interviewer tears the guy up HERE. The error in the interview is the interviewer keeps saying that there are two components, the bullet and casing, which must be assembled and still match. He forgot the third component that must also match which is the box in which the rounds are contained.

So here we have a box which contains 20 rounds of ammo. That box is sitting on the line waiting for the 20 rounds to be marked, assembled, and then placed into that box. By law, the rounds must match with the number on the casing, bullet, and box yet there is no way to ascertain the match without actually opening the round; but to get back to the box.

If one of the rounds which is to be placed into that box is rejected due to some defect, the manufacturer must now also not only reject the other 19 rounds, which would have been placed into that box; but they must also develop a method of that particular box not being serialized with the number of the rejected rounds so that ammo with the incorrect numbers does not get placed into that box.
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Old December 15, 2008, 10:45 AM   #3
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Criminals could also collect ammunition cases from shooting ranges, and reload them with molten lead bullets made without serial numbers.
Call me a criminal.

I do that with pistol cartridges already, and the same thing with rifle cartridges except the lead bullet (gotta have the jacket at 2000+ fps).

This got spanked down hard in every state it was introduced this last year. If it comes back at all, it will only come back in the "bad" states like California, New Jersey, Massachussetts, et cetera. And it would probably get spanked hard even there.

I think something like this angers even Fudds. Lots of Fudds hate ARs/AKs/pistols but love their reloading bench for tuning that perfect ought-six round for elk season. This attacks that load bench.

After all, there really isn't that much difference between these:

They all shoot the same ammo, and unify three different types of shooters against this type of legislation.
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Old December 15, 2008, 01:00 PM   #4
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Pardon me, what's a FUDD?
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Old December 15, 2008, 01:04 PM   #5
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Not FUDD, that's something different.

A Fudd. As in Elmer Fudd. Hunters that think the 2A is about hunting, and will sacrifice other classes of shooters and firearms on the altar of protecting their deer rifle or duck gun.

FUDD is Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt and Disinformation.
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Old December 15, 2008, 03:46 PM   #6
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