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Old August 29, 2008, 02:09 PM   #26
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I would get one started now, parts availability after the election may become a problem and with rising costs of metals etc, pricing is bound to go up. I know shipping sure has, and if they know you will not be able to get one after the election people will start grabbing them up quick.
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Old August 29, 2008, 02:17 PM   #27
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I've built/owned 3 of em' over the last 15 years and they all shot decent but I'd still rather have my Savage 110E if it was to be my only rifle. If I were to build another one just to "play" with it'd be in a CAR or M-4 config. and I'd be sure to get the chrome lined chamber/barrel option.
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Old August 29, 2008, 02:47 PM   #28
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The 1:7 can stabilize a heavier bullet better than a 1:9
yes,but the way you originally stated it..."Generally, 1:7 for bullets 75gr and up."

...made it sound as if the 1:7 was only good for 75gr or larger.

just wanted to clarify.

the 1:7 seems to work well for 55gr-77gr.im not aware of anything larger,at least not thats available commercially(have heard about a 90gr or 100gr).

the 1:9 seems to run from 40gr-50gr(?) on the low end,up to 68gr on the high end.although there seems to be some variance even in rifles with the same twist rate.some seem to have a faster 1:9 that does ok with 75gr,and others with a slower 1:9 which doesnt.

but if you definately want to shoot the 75gr/77gr stuff(i do),1:7 or 1:8 is the way to go.
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Old August 29, 2008, 02:49 PM   #29
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Yeah, I realized after I reread our posts that my wording was rather poor in that post. Sorry for the confusion, for a minute I thought you were advocating a 1:9 twist for heavier bullets.
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Old August 29, 2008, 03:01 PM   #30
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Get one. You will like it more than you think you will. Everyone does...
Well, not quite everyone. I've owned three, but I don't own any of them now. I sold the last one, which I bought to prepare for deployment, because I had no use for it after I deployed.

I do not imagine myself engaging in running, multi-mag firefights with the US government, the Chinese army, al-Qaeda, or MS-13. I don't find the design particularly appealing. Rather, I find the overall design clunky and "unslick." I find it difficult to shoot well compared to some of my other rifles, especially with the grungy military trigger. I don't enjoy shooting it, especially when I can shoot my Garand or Scout instead.

I have no complaints about the design's reliability, though. And of the 600+ guys in my infantry battalion, I've not talked to anyone else with a complaint about 5.56mm power or the design's reliability.
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Old September 1, 2008, 01:59 AM   #31
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the new awb has already been proposed...

dont remember who was talking about the awb earlier in the thread but it could be much sooner than jan. 20. Biden introduced it as part of his "crime prevention act" to further his socialist agenda. Rep. McCarthy out of NY also introduced a bill in the House. alert your representatives and tell them you will not stand for a blatant attack on your liberties.
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Old September 1, 2008, 09:04 AM   #32
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If you bought one before the 94AWB then it was a "pre-ban" rifle, no matter when you added the other parts to it. Since it was a pre-ban rifle, you could use any and all of the pre-ban parts.
That was not the BATF interpretation of the 94 law. Unless the receiver was assembled into a banned configuration BEFORE the ban, it was not considered "pre-ban". Not saying that was right or consistent, but that was the policy.

So, to the OP, buy it now! I plan to buy an AR pistol before the end of the year. I do not really want one, but I might in the future, so I am thinking get it now while I can.

The more recent proposed ban was HR 1022. It is not actively being pushed (election coming up plus Bush would veto), but could be easily be resurrected if Obama wins.

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Old September 1, 2008, 11:21 AM   #33
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I have a S&W M&P 15PC and it is perhaps the most accurate rifle I have ever owned. And I have a Sig 556 and it is perhaps the most fun to shoot rifle I have ever owned. So, regardless of what will or won't happen in Washington, these guns are very enjoyable to own and shoot. And if you are so inclined, you can screw more things on these guns that you can on a 67 Chevelle.
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Old September 4, 2008, 02:06 PM   #34
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Smaug,
I have a Bushmaster XM15-E2S. Only recently am I growing to appreciate this fine precision instrument. I am very pleased with my acquisition. Three things I have learned in regards to a "first" AR15:

1) Get one of quality manufacture (Armalite, Bushmaster, Colt, Rock River)

2) Buy it brand new (this will become increasingly important as time goes
by - as intoned earlier, I bought mine as an afterthought, so to speak).

3) Get a flattop upper receiver.

In your case, Smaug, lean towards the twenty-inch barrel and get the fixed shoulder stock.

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Old September 4, 2008, 02:45 PM   #35
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If I was going to join a competitive shooting league an AR would be my choice in rifle. If I wanted to buy a rifle for plinking at the range an AR would be way up on the list. Probably top of the list for a center fire.
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Old September 4, 2008, 02:51 PM   #36
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Are you guys saying that in light of any future bans, it is best to get your AR as a 100% assembled rifle now, so that it will be a 'pre ban' of any future legislation?

Are unassembled parts in the future only allowed to be assembled into a post ban rifle (whatever that might be)?
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Old September 4, 2008, 03:05 PM   #37
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Get one. You will like it more than you think you will. Everyone does...
Not everyone likes the AR... I happen to prefer AKMs and M14s. No ARs for me.
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Old September 4, 2008, 05:01 PM   #38
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I have been thinking about this since I started this thread.

I'm starting to realize that even though I'm a young guy, I prefer older styles of firearms.

In the 1990s, I just had to have a Glock. I finally got one, and it just didn't do anything for me emotionally. It shot well enough, though not as well as the typical hammer-fired gun. As an engineer, it bothered me to get rid of it. From a functional standpoint, it was the perfect gun.

I just sold my Ruger P90 in favor of a Ruger Redhawk.

Now, as long as I've been worrying and thinking of this topic, and despite all the advice I've gotten from most of you, I would rather have a Marlin lever action. If I ever get attacked by multiple men with rifles, I'm sure I'll have some regrets and think back to this thread before I get snuffed, but hopefully, the chances of that happening are slim to none.

On the other hand, since I just bought a Redhawk, Bersa 380, and Daly Hi Power in the last month, I'm all tapped out for a while, funds-wise, and I have a while longer to think about it.

MikeGoob - I think JKHolman was just referring to my prefernce to buy a complete rifle, since I don't want to get into the science of building an AR. I'm OK with just knowing how to take them down & clean them.

Thanks for all your thoughts.
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Old September 4, 2008, 06:23 PM   #39
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I was reading on the AR forum that people are waiting a ridiculous amount of weeks for their AR from Rock RIver. I realize they are having the made the way they want but the wait times still seem long.

That said, I too am worried of a new ban so i went to my local shop and bought a RRA Elite Comp(they had 4). Just picked it up. Like the poster above, I too dont wanna get into making my own.
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Old September 4, 2008, 07:07 PM   #40
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Old September 4, 2008, 08:54 PM   #41
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Good thread

I'm also in the category of being in need of my first AR, so the discussion was as helpful for me as it was for the original poster. The only reason I haven't gotten one is because there are so many choices; it's hard to decide. I think I've narrowed it down to a 20" (chrome) barrel but I'm not sure if I want a bull barrel. Also thinking along the lines of a flat top and fixed stock. Not sure about the brand but was leaning towards a DPMS. On the one hand, I'd love a tack driver. But, at the same time, I'd like something easy to lug around and plink with on occasion.

I could keep putting these decisions off and wait for the big epiphony that points me at one particular AR, then again, the potential legislative reasons to move forward are upon us.

The irony of these legislative threats against gun owners is how well these legislative hazards sell guns. I never had a compelling reason to own a Glock. Not that I didn't like them or didn't think I might like to have one someday, but I was in no rush. I was living in the Left Coast Republik of California when the outline of new legislation would target that gun and others like it. So, the anti-gunner threat sealed the deal and I entered the two week waiting period the same day I got wind of the new bill. I still have that gun. Way to drive the market, Dems!

And here we are again. My AR purchase is looking like a time sensitive probability.
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Old September 4, 2008, 09:18 PM   #42
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LateNightFlight,

Why limit yourself to just 1?

I too was confused, and kept putting off getting one. Then last friday I just strolled into a gun store with a wad of cash and let the clerk sell me something.

I figure it's just going to be my first AR, and in the long run, the gun part of it will be far cheaper than all the Ammo I'll put through it.

So, I figured the best way to learn was to get one that wasn't all that expensive, so I could figure out what I do/don't like and use that knowledge to help me figure out what I want for my next one.

I picked up a little flat top carbine DPMS in .223.

It's a blast to shoot. There are much better models out there I'm sure, but I just wanted something very basic with Iron sights to start on.
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Old September 4, 2008, 11:13 PM   #43
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kingbubbatruck; I like your thinking because that's usually the way it works with me, too. Sometimes it's hard to know exactly what you want until you have some experience in the genre; so just one of whatever won't do. I guess this is how we end up with collections of these things.

A couple of month ago, I picked up my first .223, a Rem 700 SVS Varmint. So now I have the need for a long heavy barrel taken care of. I love shooting it and I love the round, particularly the economics of the ammo. But I can't help but think how fun that round would be out of a semi auto with a much lighter barrel. At the same time, I don't want to give up MOA accuracy unless that's just the way it has to be. Ohhhh... what to do - what to do?

Perhaps I should follow your example. I'll just go into the local shop and throw myself on their mercy. "nOgunsBama is coming. Shoot me if I try to leave empty handed!"
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Old September 4, 2008, 11:30 PM   #44
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I'm seriously thinking about just ordering a couple of stripped lowers. That way I could pick up parts to build the 'next' versions a little bit at a time...

The DPMS I've currently go should be good for general plinking and what have you, a carbine should be fine. I'm not looking for it to be a 'reach out and touch someone' but more of a 100-250+ yard range type gun.

Oh well. It'll take a while to build up the budget for it. Might even have to go into reloading

I seriously think my next gun will be a M1 Garand though...
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Old September 5, 2008, 07:00 AM   #45
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If Obama wins.......BUY THE AR and some cosmoline, a burial tube, and a map.

Guys it is expected that the DEMONcrats are going to gain ground in both the house and senate. It is very possible for them to get a super majority. It is quite possible that they won't even need obama to win to shove a gun ban down our throats.

I already own plenty but will be spending several thousand dollars on guns, mags, ammo, and supplies to hide them long term if Obama wins and/or they get a super majority.

BTW with the Supreme court split 5-4 this election could spell the end of our way of life and the real meaning of the second amendment. Get out and vote and get others behind you.
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Old September 5, 2008, 07:17 AM   #46
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Had the patriots of old buried their rifles back in 1775 we would be under British rule. Never give in never give up.
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Old September 5, 2008, 11:45 AM   #47
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Let's do everything in our power to make sure Obama does not win...
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Old September 5, 2008, 01:02 PM   #48
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Had the patriots of old buried their rifles back in 1775 we would be under British rule. Never give in never give up.
Well, the question is, if they ban guns, will they come door-to-door and collect them? If so, one has three choices. Give them up, shoot the people at your door, (who will be armed and ready) or claim you no longer have that gun and make them prove otherwise.

If it is hidden & buried, they will never find it. I think that was his point.
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Old September 5, 2008, 02:34 PM   #49
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Looks funny, just to read it. But if Obama wins, there will be zero chance of getting one for 4-8 years.
I don't feel that much safer if McCain wins. Either way, now is a good time to buy.
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Old September 6, 2008, 07:29 AM   #50
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I don't feel that much safer if McCain wins. Either way, now is a good time to buy.
I agree although not because I fear McCain will ban guns. His VP selection is a life member of the NRA and hunter. It's the super majority I fear. The Dem's could be in a position to override a presidential veto allowing them to pass whatever they want.

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I'm not burying them to start a rifle tree. It will allow me to choose when and were to act to maximize my effectiveness.
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