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Old October 27, 2000, 09:39 PM   #1
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Being new to reloading I'm not sure how to tell ball from flaked and be sure....Yet Also can I mail order WW 231? The retail store where I live really suck in service but have good prices but I'd rather support anybody else.
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Old October 27, 2000, 09:56 PM   #2
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Yes it's a ball powder and yes you can order it from another source. However, if you have it shipped, you must pay a hazmat fee.

Some dealers will eat the hazmat fee if you buy large containers i.e. 8lb kegs. In some cases, they'll eat the hazmat if you buy either a 8lb or 16lb keg.

Around these here parts, W231 is readily available in almost every gun shop.


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Old October 28, 2000, 12:33 AM   #3
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Son is correct. Many other powder makers (AA, Hodgdon...) manuf ball powders, but Winchester owns the trademark on "ball", so they are marketed under different descriptions such as spherical
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Old October 28, 2000, 08:01 AM   #4
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First of all, there isn't a dealer alive who will eat a $15 HazMat charge on an 8 pound caddy of powder!

Secondly, Hodgdon does NOT manufacture powder. Their powders are made by several manufacturers and simply re-packaged and distributed by Hodgdon.

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Old October 28, 2000, 09:59 AM   #5
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You sure are one angry fellow.

T&T Reloading consistently pays the haz mat fee for 16lb keg or 25,000 primer orders. On occasion, I believe they run specials where they eat the haz mat if you order 8lb kegs in conjunction with bullets, brass whatever.

I thought Cabelas at one time ate the haz mat fee too with 8lb keg orders.

Then again, I could be wrong.
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Old October 28, 2000, 01:35 PM   #6
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Thanks for the Info I'll check out T&T. I plan to use ww231 for all my pistols I have tried CCI primers and Not happy so I'll try the winchesters(reccomended here at TFL) I'm loading .44spl .45 ACP and 9mm

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Old October 28, 2000, 01:59 PM   #7
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I have shot W231 a lot it is a good powder a little smokie though.Dont forget about Bullseye powder.In my opinion it is cleaner burning.Also I read that someone did a test and found that Bullseye would give the same velocity with less powder in the 45ACP and with Less pressure.Just food for thought.
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Old October 29, 2000, 10:05 AM   #8
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Many of Hodgdon's powders, including HP 38 and H110, are made by Winchester, or were at one time.

HP 38 is a virtual twin of WW 231, and H110 is almost identical to WW 296.

Smith & Wesson is dead to me.

If you want a Smith & Wesson, buy USED!
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Old October 31, 2000, 01:14 PM   #9
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Yup, Win 231 is a "Ball" powder. It just looks like a flake because it is flattened in the manufacturing process.

It's the old adjust the burning characteristics by altering the physical shape trick. It's a ball just like oatmeal is a grain. Both get smashed before delivery to the user.

Re: Bullseye...I once watched a guy chrono 9mm loads with 90-grain bullets all the way up to 1500 FPS. DO NOT TRY THIS!!! He was obviously way over pressure before he reached 1400 fps. It was an experiment, using a pistol which is no longer made. I think his top experimental loads would blow even a Glock 17.

He did *not* repeat the experiment and sticks with published loading data for all loads now.
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