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Old May 15, 1999, 02:04 PM   #1
Axel Yup
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I just purchased two Kel-Tec P-11s. My intention is to have one set up to carry and shoot and reserve the other for dry fire practice and malfunction clearing drills.

I have a Beamhit 110 dry firing system which consists of a laser transmitter which fits into the gun barrel. The shock of the hammer or striker activating causes a laser pulse to be fired which can then be picked up by the special target which will register any hits.

The problem is that the P-11 has such a short barrel that when I fully insert the laser rod it extends into the chamber so that a snap cap cannot be inserted. This is good for safety because it helps to detect a round in the chamber, but I'm concerned about damage to the firing pin. The manual expressly states that dry firing should not be done with the P-11. I assume this is because the firing pin can be damaged. If I remove the firing pin, will it be safe to dry fire the gun or can some other part be damaged?


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Old May 15, 1999, 05:34 PM   #2
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Why not get a .380/9mm kurz snap cap ?

At least a shorter than 9mm Luger one might fit?

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Old May 16, 1999, 01:56 PM   #3
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Snap caps are easily made. Get some nylon rod a little over primer diameter, trim enough to force into the primer pocket of a fired and de-primed case, and cut off flush. If you want to make a dummy round, go through all the reloading steps except the powder loading and priming. Insert the nylon as above.

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Old May 16, 1999, 02:26 PM   #4
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To answer your original question, if you remove the firing pin you won't hurt anything else by dry firing. The hammer will be hitting the pin retainer a scosh harder, but it hits it thousands of times during the life a gun anyway, so who cares.

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Old May 16, 1999, 09:19 PM   #5
Axel Yup
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Thanks for the advice everyone. I went ahead and removed the firing pin, but when I tried to dry fire the gun the trigger would not reset. I reinstalled the firing pin and it worked again. It looks like if the hammer travels too far forward that it won't reset.

OK, so it looks like I have a couple of options now. I can keep dry firing the gun and just watch for breakage of the firing pin. Since I don't use this gun for self-defense, breakage of the firing pin is probably not that big an issue.

Secondly, it looks like I can tighten down the firing pin set screw so that the firing pin won't move when struck by the hammer. Will immobilizing the firing pin protect it from breakage?

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Old May 17, 1999, 07:54 AM   #6
George Stringer
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Axel, tightening the firing pin will probably break it quicker than simply dry firing. I agree with the advice about getting a snap cap. Cheap insurance. George
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Old May 18, 1999, 01:10 AM   #7
James L
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Take the advice of DS. If a .380 snap cap is still to long, you can cut and plug one. Just make sure the spring action still works.
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Old May 18, 1999, 06:00 PM   #8
Axel Yup
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A gun shop clerk told me that the hard plastic, orange dummy rounds can be used as snap caps. Do these offer the same protection as the spring loaded ones?

I was also told that the .380 snap caps won't fit in a 9mm. Is this true?

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Old May 19, 1999, 07:46 PM   #9
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If you haven't already done so, go to the Kel-Tec Owner's Website at WWW.KTOG.ORG. See how to do a "fluff and buff" to improve the trigger pull and overall function of the gun.

Others there, including some very knowledgeable gunsmiths very familiar with the Kel-Tec P11 and P40 say its very safe to dry fire the Kel-Tec. They base their assertions upon thousands and thousands of dry fires.

I have a P-11 and dry fire it from time to time. (I shoot it enough however, that the urge to dry fire it a lot just isn't there.)
Very accurate, very reliable, and small. That long trigger pull, however, takes some getting used to.

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Old May 23, 1999, 02:14 PM   #10
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The plastic "dummies" make poor snap-caps. The plastic dents very quickly and becomes useless. .380 snap-caps cannot be used in 9mm's.
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