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Old December 16, 2019, 07:26 PM   #44
FireForged
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The hard core, trained up, the gun is just a tool folks, drag out their catch phrases, recite the only way to do things, and look down upon those less informed or having less insight.
That may be a little dramatic. I dont think anyone in this thread has suggested "the only way" to do things.

Being critical of practices, conditions and circumstaces which are considered by some to be potentially distructive, is not really distain or "looking down". To take it that way seems overly sensitive.


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Not everyone has the opportunity to attend a shooting school and gain the benefits of force on force training and experience deadly force situations as part of the job.
Sure.. which is why its generally a good idea to be open and welcoming to criticism from people do have had the benefit of training and or practical expereince realted to the subject matter.

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A level of competency with a wide range of firearms, acquired thru personal interest, shooting sports and a bit of training, I think makes for a well rounded shooter and one just as likely to survive an encounter as the "one gun" martial artist types.
Being a good shot and being good at gun handling is not the same being good at fighting. When I say fighting, I am talking about lawful armed self defense against a criminal attacker. I am talking about "combat".

Tactics and strategics can easily make up for less impressive shooting skill but it does not often work the other way around. Absolute marksmanship is rarely the deciding factor in many conflicts. It is tactics and practical knowledge/judgment which usually wins the day, even when the opposition may be fundamentally superior.

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In fact, my own observations of LEO's in mixed competition is that a lot of them can't shoot near as well as the hobby shooters.
Sure.. I dont doubt that at all. I have trained with some elite shooters who hail from the gun game arena. Those I have trained with did not fair to well in force on force. At leat not until they became squared away in their fighting tactics and how to construct a proper defense in fast moving enviroment. You don't typically gain that type of knowledge from running a stage.

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If we're going to examine stress and muscle memory sort of things, how do we know that "our" platform will be the one with which we finish and win the fight?
We dont know.. but what we do know is that muddy water is not all that clear. That is why most people who simply select a platform and then invest in it. There is nothing wrong with a back up plan or a varying platform but when it become a "gun of the day" or "gun of the week" kind of thing, its may no longer be a practical attribute. There can certainly be a point of diminished returns when it comes to carrying 4, 5 , 9 different handguns on a regular basis.

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Guns break, take rounds and get disabled or have cartridge case head fails. In a prolonged fight (yeah not likely, but so is the likelihood of being in any fight, period) hopefully get replaced with pickups from other officers, maybe even the bad guys, which may or may not be "your" platform.
Most gun fights are going to be over in mere seconds. I wont call it fantasy but unless you are on a large scale battlefield, the idea of exploiting the use of "pick-up" is exceedignly remote. I don't consider that scenario a good reason to carry half a dozen different guns on a regular basis. Trained habit action, training scars and muscle memory are all real issues. It does usually require a balance.

...but sure, everyone should probably have a decent "idea" of how to use a glock, revolver, shotgun no matter if they own one or not. It doesnt mean you need to carry 5 different guns per week.

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Better to be students of the gun, than specialists with a gun.
quips, mantra's and related idioms are not what I base my self defense initiatives on.
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