Here on the left coast we use to count only the points above the eye guards on elk. Thus a 5 X 5 was just a three point. That seems to have changed now. A few years ago I killed a bull with my bow that had a vertical brow tine on each side in addition to double eye guards.
We still don't count brow tines on our blacktail deer which normally don't have any or else little tiny things and then we only count one side. When I was a kid reading in Outdoor Life about someone passing on a 6 point, I thought they were nuts. A typical mature blacktail in our area only has three points to a side.
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