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Old December 16, 2004, 07:25 PM   #10
CQBArms
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You being the only off page.

Show me where a license / SOT combo can be used to personally collect post sample demo guns. I can tell you how I KNOW that post sample guns are never to "be collected" and what the process is for post sample demo guns.



Show me in the FFL regs where it says you have to have a retail location.
Show me where the BATFE defines "retail store front" in any of the regulations.
I can show you specifically where it says YOU DON'T (in at least two instances) and I know of more based on sales type and business type. The word retail doesn't even show up in the index.

Maybe you are confusing the fact that a private home with no public access will not be consdiered a "business premise" but there is NOTHING that says you need a retail location. ATK has no retail location and they mfg tons of firearms, DD's and ammo for the gov't...We mfg lots of ammo and DD's for the gov't, like I said before there are tons of wholesale locations in the US, with no retail sales. Call up Savage arms and ask to go to their "retail store".


Here's the table of contents for the green book,
http://www.atf.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/index.pdf

Come on now, I'm giving you the answers...look them up and explain what license/SOT allows you to keep/collect post samples/demo guns- you won't be able to because you can't collect post sample guns (Law 5844(3) Reg 179.111(a)(3) Rul. 85-2)....then show me where it says in the green book where you have to have a retail location.

Post samples:
(d) Dealer sales samples. Subject to compliance with the provisions
of this part, applications to transfer and register a machine gun
manufactured or imported on or after May 19, 1986, to dealers qualified
under this part will be approved if it is established by specific
information the expected governmental customers who would require a
demonstration of the weapon, information as to the availability of the
machine gun to fill subsequent orders, and letters from governmental
entities expressing a need for a particular model or interest in seeing a
demonstration of a particular weapon. Applications to transfer more than
one machine gun of a particular model to a dealer must also establish the
dealer's need for the quantity of sample s sought to be transferred.

(f) Discontinuance of business. Since section 922(o), Title 18,
U.S.C., makes it unlawful to transfer or possess a machine gun except as
provided in the law, any qualified manufacturer, importer, or dealer
intending to discontinue business shall, prior to going out of business,
transfer in compliance with the provisions of this part any machine gun
manufactured or imported after May 19, 1986, to a Federal, State or local
governmental entity, qualified manufacturer, qualified importer, or,
subject to the provisions of paragraph (d) of this section, dealer
qualified to possess such, machine gun.

Yeah so again what license/sot lets him collect post sample dealer demo guns?

So here's a suggestion, when you step up and say you know the rules, you better damn well know them REAL good because basically you are lying to this guy...and giving him advice that's wrong about retail locations, about being able to "collect" post dealer samples...and that's some really bad advice. What are you trying to do, help him get to prison?
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