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Buddy, try Hornady 93gr FMJ #1419 for .30 Luger, Hornady 86gr soft point #1522 for .30 Mauser, or Sierra 85gr round nose #8005.
My first attempt was with Speer 100gr plinkers. I couldn't load them short enough and still retain anything resembling decent neck tension. This was an experiment that did not work. I've heard that they can be used in 7.62x25 at lower velocity, but I've never tried it.
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