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Old October 7, 2000, 11:51 AM   #16
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Weapon retention techniques mainly use wrist locks or finger peels of some type. Though some do advise strikes. Lindell's techniques are designed for uniformed LEO's though and probably isn't the best system to study for concealed carry.

Glamdring is correct in that sharing Mr. Lindells techniques would do little to help a non-uniformed person in weapons retention.

Jared, to is correct in that most officers were killed with their own weapon at one time. Hence the reason for emphasis on weapons retention for officers.

I gained Mr. Lindells respect.....and often times his wrath....for not simply excepting some of his training methods. Many of the trainee's had never been in an actual fight in their lives. Training...out of necessity often illustrated exaggerated round house strikes to teach various blocking techniques. It was my contention (as a relatively successful boxer) that if all training was restricted to these practices that the student would loose to someone who knew how to throw a jab on the street. The student, now turned police officer, would get his butt kicked the first time he encountered someone that did not simply throw wide looping blows. I understood the need for such training early in the process but wished to see more advanced training before they (the trainee's) were released for street duty. Mr. Lindell often used me as his partner to demonstrate a new technique to the class. At these times I would not simply take a fall leaving the impression that it would be that easy on the street. An example would be an arm bar take down in which your opponent is expected to simply go down face first allowing the student the opportunity to trap an arm and place them in cuffs. Instead, in this example, I would roll, landing on my back, allowing me the option to strike from my back once on the ground. This often lead to some "enthusiastic" sparing between he and I. Let there be no mistake, in spite of having 40 pounds on him there never was a doubt in my mind that he could whip me like a redheaded stepchild any time he wished. For anyone whom has never had the pleasure of meeting the man, Mr. Lindell was extremely thin. However, he was one of those people who was deceptively strong for his slim stature, knew the meaning of leverage and could throw strikes like a snake. It was this underlying controversy, the fact that he to knew the importance of real world training and the fact that it was an easy way to keep me out of trouble that lead him to assigning me the task of assistant instructor. My roll, which was limited, was to train students that needed more time in training and those that lacked the instinct to fight when and how needed in a real encounter. I served in this roll for my own academy class and the two following it.

Mr. Lindell was a civilian employee and was paid by the Regional Training Academy. The academy there is, due to the smaller departments in the Kansas City metropolitan area desiring superior LE training but lacking funds for their own, is a joint academy for several agencies including KCPD, my old department.
I won't comment on Mr. Lindell's off time activities other than to say that he often times enjoyed "creating" real world encounters to hone his own skills.

I haven't talked with him in 15 years and the last I knew he was suffering from cancer. Hence my reference to him in the past tense. Law enforcment trainee's and the martial arts community were blessed to have him as a an instructor. He is missed.


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