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Old August 10, 2009, 01:41 PM   #79
JohnKSa
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Too likely to end like this: http://content.usatoday.com/communit.../07/68495159/1
That is a story of a person who shot through his door because he heard someone trying to put a key in the lock. No verbal warning, no violent entry attempt.

I would definitely say that a person shouldn't shoot through a door unless they have verbally warned the attempted intruder and unless they feel that the entry is imminent and that it poses a deadly threat.
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Where did this happen? It sounds like something that would've made at least the local news... Can you provide us with a link to a news report of this incident?
Here are some:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/sto...3623085&page=1
Police have said they have no plans to file charges against Logg.
http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefe...1_archive.html
The homeowner then fired a shot through the door with a 12-gauge shotgun, striking Stanley in the stomach. ... The homeowner has not been charged...
http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefe...labels/MS.html
In a Nov. 27 shooting, Jackson homeowner Cedric Marshall wasn't indicted in the death of Marcus D. Rawls, 23, also of Jackson....Published reports said Marshall thought two men were trying to break into his home and shot through the door to scare away the intruders.


Here are some cases where the homeowner was shot through the door. Who thinks it would be reasonable to return fire?
http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2...8610536119.txt
http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/3103496/
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Folks, you are missing one thing here that makes it a moot point.

The BG HAS to come through the door.
No, you're missing the point that the door is a significant tactical advantage because it separates you from someone trying to do you harm. With the door gone there is nothing preventing the criminal from harming you but you and your ability with your firearm. Allowing a criminal to break down your door severely degrades your tactical situation by giving them access to you and anyone else inside.

YES, once the door is gone, you can see to get a clear shot. Unfortunately so can the criminal.
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If a person is outside my home and there is a intact barrier(door) between me and the bad-guy. Speaking for myself... I wouldnt feel that enough jeopardy exists for me to fire.
If the door is holding up then I agree. Once it's clear that the door will not hold much longer then the situation is completely different.

Again, I want to stress that it's absolutely inadvisable, illegal, and immoral to simply shoot through the door at noises and I am NOT saying that anyone should do such a thing. What I'm addressing is the idea that it's never a good idea to shoot through a door. In very specific circumstances it makes a lot of sense to shoot through a door because it gives the defender a good chance of stopping a criminal after the criminal has demonstrated violent intent/ability/motivation but just before the criminal has a good chance of injuring the defender.

The specific circumstances are:
  • Criminal has been clearly warned away verbally.
  • Criminal is clearly making a concerted effort to illegally enter the residence.
  • It is clear that the criminal will imminently (NOT eventually) gain entrance if nothing is done.
  • This set of circumstances is legal grounds for the use of deadly force in the defender's locale.
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