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Didnt listen to that podcast, although I do regularly download John's podcasts and listen often. Anyone being "absolute" is probably being too rigid and generally wrong.
If you take real-to-life training, like Craig Douglas's ECQC (which the radio show host/interviewer John Johnston has taken, by the way) you learn when to shoot using the thumb-pectoral index, and when to use the various levels of retention and various levels of presentation, and you realize there is a close distance from the target at which you simply are too close to bring the sights up to your optical plane and yes, you are going to need to shoot with pointing (indexing is a better term). And, as you move back away from the target, you advance the gun out and at a distance where the bad guy can not grab your gun you can use the sights. But having a discussion about point shooting that ignores those facts is not useful. In my life (not a cop, not military, just a regular guy), if I get mugged, the bad guy will have used stealth or some ruse to get in close to me, and I am going to have to use empty hands skills initially, then when timing is right I can do in-fight weapons access and get the gun out, and probably will be too close to bring the sights up to my optical plane. That's just the facts of reality, John's esteemed guest notwithstanding.
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