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Old December 27, 2013, 11:15 AM   #30
Clark
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Join Date: December 4, 1999
Location: WA, the ever blue state
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In 1997 with a 308 Bart Bobbitt shot a 3.325" 20 shot group at 800 yards with Sierra's 155-gr. Palma bullet with 45.3gr. of IMR4895 and RWS Primers in full-length sized WCC60 match cases.

In 2013 with a 7mmRM I shot an 8" 3 shot group at 500 yards with Nosler 140 gr Ballistic tip bullets with 70 gr H4350 and Win large rifle primers in once fired RP brass surplussed out of St Marks testing.

This is the difference between a top competitor, and just some schmuck that goes hunting.

My contention is that it takes skill to react to recoil in the same way every time. Low skill shooters will improve more than others with reduced recoil.

The best round for shooting groups in a 308 that I have found [and I own more than a dozen 308s] is 110 gr Vmax moly .308 LC or WW brass, 44.9 gr IMR4895 2.815" OAL.

This is a wimpy load with a wimpy bullet and seated long. The long seating assures that the bullet will jam into the lands, and thus be concentric on at least ONE end of the bullet.

90% of the shooters at the average range will shoot smaller groups with this wimpy load.
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