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tirod · November 17, 2013, 05:40 PM

Tight tolerances have nothing to do with how a gun works or not. In this particular case, the OP is actually dealing with tight expectations.

Can the makers afford to run 50, no, 500 rounds thru their guns before they ship them? ARE YOU SERIOUSLY KIDDING?

How would that affect the price of an automobile? 5,000 miles is normal for getting it broke in, that's going take about 110 hours at an average speed of 45mph (speed has to vary, in town and highway) times $15 an hour for a driver to follow the protocol, = $1,666, plus fuel at $2.80 gal @ 22 mpg = $227. Add it all up, you get a surcharge of $1893 a car.

Gun? 500 rounds at $.50 @ bulk rate = $250, plus the time to change about 40 mags and shoot them without burning up the barrel, at the same $15 an hour = $265 a gun minimum. That's the price of an LCP.

No, you aren't going to pay for the privilege of buying a used gun that is ready out of the box. Pure internet fantasy. And some other unkind comparisons to post digested carbohydrates from livestock. It's completely unrealistic.

So, the makers should spend more time in development to get all those finicky tolerances down to a fair the well? Nope, the product development cycle is now been pushed from the years it took formerly to just months. Take the P938 for example. The P238 was a functioning gun on the market, but no, .380 has started to fall off in sales, the trend is to go to 9mm CCW guns like the ultra compact .45's.

In business, you either lead, follow, or get out of the way. SIG jumped in, rescaled the gun, and put it on the market. They were responding to OUR buying habits, WE are moving from new gun to new gun in literal months now, not years like the transition from .45 1911 to 9mm combat doublestacks. You snooze, you lose. Our own competitive buying habits to have the latest greatest gun of the month means the makers have shortened cycles to make a gun or forgeddaboutit. Kel Tec is a small player with a pretty loyal customer base that can tolerate a 1st Gen gun and beta testing it.

Us? Not freaking likely, we are the Me Generation and we don't tolerate being anyone's test staff. It's embarrassing on the range when our gun locks up, hey, we spent good money and by golly we intend to impress our buddies.

None of this existed to the degree I read about it now on the internet. In part, it's that, and also the current mindset of the generation now buying guns. Look and the width and breadth of the product offering these days. Hard to sustain introducing a new gun every two or three years, and that was amazing ten years ago.

Things have changed - if you want ready out of the box, don't buy new. Wait for the end of the second year of production, then you get it. You can't be have the new gun on the block and expect it, it's unrealistic.

November 17, 2013, 05:40 PM	#65
tirod Junior member Join Date: January 21, 2009 Posts: 1,672	Tight tolerances have nothing to do with how a gun works or not. In this particular case, the OP is actually dealing with tight expectations. Can the makers afford to run 50, no, 500 rounds thru their guns before they ship them? ARE YOU SERIOUSLY KIDDING? How would that affect the price of an automobile? 5,000 miles is normal for getting it broke in, that's going take about 110 hours at an average speed of 45mph (speed has to vary, in town and highway) times $15 an hour for a driver to follow the protocol, = $1,666, plus fuel at $2.80 gal @ 22 mpg = $227. Add it all up, you get a surcharge of $1893 a car. Gun? 500 rounds at $.50 @ bulk rate = $250, plus the time to change about 40 mags and shoot them without burning up the barrel, at the same $15 an hour = $265 a gun minimum. That's the price of an LCP. No, you aren't going to pay for the privilege of buying a used gun that is ready out of the box. Pure internet fantasy. And some other unkind comparisons to post digested carbohydrates from livestock. It's completely unrealistic. So, the makers should spend more time in development to get all those finicky tolerances down to a fair the well? Nope, the product development cycle is now been pushed from the years it took formerly to just months. Take the P938 for example. The P238 was a functioning gun on the market, but no, .380 has started to fall off in sales, the trend is to go to 9mm CCW guns like the ultra compact .45's. In business, you either lead, follow, or get out of the way. SIG jumped in, rescaled the gun, and put it on the market. They were responding to OUR buying habits, WE are moving from new gun to new gun in literal months now, not years like the transition from .45 1911 to 9mm combat doublestacks. You snooze, you lose. Our own competitive buying habits to have the latest greatest gun of the month means the makers have shortened cycles to make a gun or forgeddaboutit. Kel Tec is a small player with a pretty loyal customer base that can tolerate a 1st Gen gun and beta testing it. Us? Not freaking likely, we are the Me Generation and we don't tolerate being anyone's test staff. It's embarrassing on the range when our gun locks up, hey, we spent good money and by golly we intend to impress our buddies. None of this existed to the degree I read about it now on the internet. In part, it's that, and also the current mindset of the generation now buying guns. Look and the width and breadth of the product offering these days. Hard to sustain introducing a new gun every two or three years, and that was amazing ten years ago. Things have changed - if you want ready out of the box, don't buy new. Wait for the end of the second year of production, then you get it. You can't be have the new gun on the block and expect it, it's unrealistic.