Spectre- To answer your question: I'm defining "traditional" as any of the arts that have been derived before or during the early 20th century. I know that is late but I'm defining it that way for the sake of my poll. For example I consider Aikido to be a "traditional" art. Even though Morihei was around during the 20th century. My memory escapes me...what art do you train in? You've told us before but I forget