got the other one done enough to wear it for a day or two... I pulled the leather liner out of it, to cut the bulk down some... this is a close up, so it appears larger than it really is... ( it's 3" wide & 5" high ) the stiching at the top of the flap, gives it shape, keeps it closed without any snaps or velcro, etc. & keeps the butt of the grip from being visible when it's flipped down... the way I sewed the flap on, allows it to easily flip up & stay for easy access to the gun... still have some finishing & burnishing to do... if this design is practical, I may build another that works with both my spur trigger 32 & 38 S&W's